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  1. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    megaversal comes from oversimplified ideas of cosmology that were more horizontally inclined than vertically, which is what DC, Marvel, Lovecraft, etc use. The only real horizontal verse I know is Doctor Who, but even that has some verticality.
  2. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    I think I should make a DC cosmology page, but I need to finish everything up to Flashpoint first. It gets hard to explain everything fragmentarily, need to explain everything at once.
  3. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    The stuff we see for New Gods, pantheons, Lords,e tc throughout Post Crisis were there emanations in realspace or emanations of their realms. Infinitesimal shadows of the true reality of the characters. The actual Godsphere stuff we rarely see. Two instances we see the Godsphere is Where is Thy Sting and Man of Tomorrow #15 where characters' thoughtforms are jumping across realities and time like they're toys. Just because Infinite Frontier retcons and throws away all previous precedent doesn't mean what was established beforehand didn't fit the preerequisites for speed being thrown away by the Godsphere proper. That just means DC is currently shitting the bed and fucking up its cosmology.
  4. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Except regular infinite speed is inappropriate for many things. I am saying shit like the New Gods in DC or Outer Gods in the Mythos don't have infinite speed, or speed at all, though. They don't have speed because on their level speed isn't even a mathematical possibility as that requires space, which isn't a thing at that level. So infinite speed is a major misnomer and outright downplay. And someone who can physically move through time doesn't have just infinite speed, someone with infinite speed can't displace themselves across temporal dimensions. Someone with immeasurable speed can.
  5. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Also quick disclaimer, Mr. Mxy in DC is 5-D but really as Snyder said dimensions are more like governing layers, not geometric dimensions. Feats > statements here. The fifth dimensions is constantly shown as imagination, even if the same issues just claim they are geometric dimensions. In terms of geometric dimensions his feats far exceed that and I would argue is infinite dimensional. As the 5th Dimension and Bleedspace are one in the same.
  6. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Speed needs to be understood as a matter of displacement vectors. Technically speed is a vector of speed within all traditional degrees of freedom. Speed in the sense of versus debating is a three dimensional variable, because one can displace themselves across the x, y, and z axis. Higher dimensional characters can displace themselves across different axes, for example a four dimensional character can move across the x,y,z and w axes. When it comes to this, it isn't immeasurable in VSB transcendental terms I guess. This is higher dimensional travel or something, because technically they have a vector going in the w axis that is a given speed. It's just typical three dimensional characters cannot percieve or displace themselves in that distance. The higher dimensional displacement allows a higher dimensional being to move into places a person cannot perceive, and so it is in a sense immeasurable to the perspective of a person who basically just saw someone teleport. However it's...
  7. Maddie

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    I am actually writing something before I was tagged, thanks
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