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We're not. Your content isn't deleted. It exists and anyone can choose to see it but bots can't. This is reality, we rely on the search engines for traffic. Unless we were so huge we didn't need them then that will continue to be the case. That is the blunt truth.

We've done no double speak intentionally. I for one am as blunt as it comes.

Blade especially is a well liked member with a great community history, I would approve that, and Claudio I generally enjoyed debates with in the old DBS section. Only doxing is criminal. I'm pointing out that we're the total opposite of FV staff. They did whatever they had to do to make their life easier rather than address concerns and went beyond that past the realms of any professionalism or decency. Doxing is not something we would partake in. I don't know how you pulled that out of there. I blame nobody. Trying to get to the bottom of your sour attitude isn't me placing blame, I want to get to the truth so we can get to solutions.

Well Trinity and Ral made the actual fucking site so that automatically gives them the right to run it. Me? Did you hear about the mass PM's on FV? I helped bring one of our first activity surges. Gin? His art and coding skill is nearly unparalleled on the site. Fang? I trust you won't deny that he has deep ties to large swathes of the community. If I tell you the truth and you still deny it, I can't really help you. You can choose to live in reality or choose to delude yourself to fit your own narrative. I don't think you know what the use of force means. I know you're aware of what we could do but refuse to. I don't care for Rinoa, some of the others have been more pragmatic as they know her better than I do, but of course it's not enough for me. I think Rinoa's a fool making stupid choices that will see her goals to their grave. Why regurgitate anymore? You're here why don't you enlighten me about what you want. Again in plain clear terms. Plain and simple English...

I'm not exactly separate from the group you're criticizing. Plus the points I brought up about me are to reveal to you that we are not butt buddies from old FV. Many of us didn't get along before or were only superficially polite to one another sometimes. My intent was not for it to be about me, only that I feel such a point is valid to how the entire group thinks in terms of who becomes modded and it has nothing to do with friends. It's not a threat to say you're causing stress. It was a simple statement of fact, but this is natural when something is wrong people that care will be stressed and compelled to fix it. Perhaps you're making as many assumptions as you say I do. Let's say it was projection, why not simply defuse the situation? Any one of us could have done much worse to you here, FV wouldn't debate you they would have silenced and banned you but we have all been adamantt about not doing any of that.

Giving a damn isn't losing it. Is that what really happened or are we just not listening to each other and laying things on the table cleanly? People debating and disagreeing doesn't mean it's a brick wall. We are at least trying to hear what you have to say.

I'm more of a mountains and rivers kinda guy, snow covered pines and shit. Well at least you know your audience~

It is a criticism of staff decisions of which I always take part in so while it may not be directed at me specifically, it is an issue you have that I think should be addressed. So you have problems with us but you just want to post edgy doomer posts and then walk away? Two can play at that, I have better things to do than trade barbs. You make no sense, you go around the forum posting stuff that clearly shows that you have something you want to say but when pressed to say it you close up harder than a Cloyster using Withdraw. Why not deal with it? We're here and we're listening. FV wouldn't have given you the platform.

Are we going to address the issue at hand or are we going to trade barbs?

You don't have to bring anything up, it's your actions that speak. I told you why you're wrong about us modding friends and you conveniently haven't countered the argument. I offered the truth against your criticism and all you've done is deflect. Stay on the subject if you'd please. This has nothing to do with vanity, I just won't back away from this kind of debate when I see it.

Nobody is to delete any posts on this debate, this is public criticism that we will debate here and now and the public will judge its merit or lack thereof.

Nothing defensive about it, you have a criticism and I think it should be addressed, is that a problem or would you prefer silence and indifference? You have no right to talk to me about autism considering your ever present and unshakeable paranoia. Thirdly, friends? We are just recently friends. Trinity was at best indifferent to me in the past, Fang roasted me more than my fair share in the past, and I didn't even know Ral existed until I decided to leave FV. Gin was friends with someone who I didn't like so I'm sure he was either indifferent or slightly negative in opinion in regards to me. This view of a seedy circle jerk of yours has to go, all of the mods here on FV treated me with indifference, slight negativity, or at times outright negativity back in the FV days, ask them yourself. There were no friends until now. Trinity and Ral were friends, the rest of us were acquaintances or less. Mind you I was not seeking nor did I want any power at all, I was given the...

I still don't feel worthy of this but I'll do my best not to let you all down.

Ah so a productive alternative to NNN that isn't stupid.

Thancc! Was quite surprising lol.

I'm but a humble horror bussy.

Oh and by the by I want to clarify that normally making lots of threads wouldn't count BUT you generated activity during a vital time and we're thankful for that. Just so anyone thinking they can just make a bunch of threads doesn't get the wrong idea, it was the timing of what you did that made it truly valuable. Furthermore I invited you and you came and helped us out whenever I asked. So that further adds to the reasoning for giving you this role.

Yee, thanks for the activity generation. Trin got you~

I wish. Only WAD is blessed with the curve.

That's uh... very lopsided