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Yes, if he can't just attack someone with said power but needs it to happen as a result of the planet they are standing on not having enough space to hold it in it does not go to his DC. In fact you do not even need to outright bust a planet to cause it to blow up, Continental attacks should do the trick enough on their own if they have no control over them since any significant damage to the environment if large enough can cause it's gravity to go out of whack and make it fall apart. That still would not make the person who did it planet level, much less someone who needs a build up of magical energy that becomes to unstable for a planet to hold. Wrong. His energy needs to build up to the point the world it is on cannot handle it. The Time Chamber literally never broke apart until DBS where the characters went to Universal level so fat fucking chance of it doing anything there. And if you are going to just say "it will just destroy the person if their durability does not hold up"...

That has nothing to do with his own DC and the fact it needs time to get to the point where it causes an explosion makes it too slow to matter in a standard OBD match and it can only work if the planet itself does not have a counter force of it's own interfering in that. If this was set in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for example, one of the most common neutral setting the OBD uses, it would essentially do nothing. It only does that when the planet has nothing to counter it, and takes too long to happen, and reflects nothing of it's own DC which only caps out at Country level. Citation that a world which can have a moon come closer or grow bigger near it without any hi-jinks involving the laws of physics as our world does makes it the same as ours? Lol so you can demand us to treat FT as exactly the same as our Earth and Moon but when we tell you to show us proof of why it is despite never showing key things such as a moon being pulled into it's gravity, or having it be too big...

Funny considering I am still correct because if you bothered to actually read my posts My argument was always on that FT's "planet level" was never up to the standards others series match up to as Big Face cannot truly planet bust on his own nor can he do it instantly and therefore does not fit the standard definition. Big face also has no feats of using a planet busting attack of any kind as he can only destroy a planet through a time consuming process that would not work on a person with planet level durability and hell, may not work on those much weaker considering the nature of his magic spread. In the end you are trying desperately to get FT accepted as planet level and all you can do is get to the half way point since the only being capable of that cannot do it on it's own without time and no interference with the environment at hand. And once more, other members already called out that shit ages ago, you brought nothing new. And since when does a magical setting like FT...

Except he was around long enough to have have given people magic and blow up cities than countries before he was sealed and therefore was most likely at his full power, why would he not have blown up the world immediately if his spread of magic was not slow? Unless you are now arguing the "ancestor" that fought him for 20 years before sealing him just instantly knew whiteout and could stop him already which is indicated nowhere as this thing was going around destroying shit gradually. And the argument stands since Big Face is not really blowing up the planet, he is just causing it to explode itself by causing a reaction in the system to malfunction, not different than someone putting oil and gas together to cause an explosion, it would not suddenly make the dude have the DC to blow up a building now would it? Without time and and suitable place to spread his magic his ability is worthless and is why he barely counts towards being a planet buster when he needs other factors in order...

No, you're arguing shit that might as well be useless in 99% of fights he would be in. The fact he takes years just to get that strong cripples him against anyone above country level if not even less if they have enough hax to make up for it. Lol figures you would know jackshit about OBD settings to even need to ask this when that's always been the case. But enough about you, what have you brought that is any different than what we have already checked and declared unquantifiable?

Except said world without magic could still have a power system that is more science based that directly contradicts with it and counters it, or said universe might have a specific rule that does not even allow magic to exist. Than you got worlds with magic but it is so very different in nature that it too acts as a counter force and prevents it from spreading or overpowers the other instead. What can he do than? Do you have any maps or data that says how big both it and FT's world and moons are? Is there anything stating it is exactly like Earth with no difference? But with no reliable calc or data telling us if the Moon is as far away as our moon is it tells us almost nothing. Literally a small mention of how ridiculous it sounds the further I hear you talk. :trinny

The fact he needs time and can only planet bust by overloading the planet with magic means he needs variables because otherwise he can't do it on his own at all. Here's the other problem, if he needs to be charged with magic to begin with in order to be sentient at all, how can he get that in a setting without magic or one where the world has it's own system that is not compatible with it? That's why his "planet busting" is useless in most settings and barely qualifies for it because in almost any setting outside of his own he will never be able to use it. You're so intent on the "FT has at least one planet buster" that you ignore said planet busting is never going to happen or matter to any character stronger than Country level, and if we are going back to the original reason I mentioned it than it becomes worse because the jump from one barely planet level character to suddenly Multiverisal is even more laughable. :kobeha No? You have a bigger moon and that's all, nothing says...

It requires too many variables to be considered true planet busting and is isolated only to it's own setting so as majority of fiction is concerned, it's no planet buster. Is this the same moon your scans later show? Did she pull it or just increase it? Because if she only increased it than it only added some land mass to it which would not even be Moon level since she only added on to something moon level in size. There is also a lack of quantifiable data on just how much it increased that further complicates the issue.

So than why didn't it? If it was at that point the world should have been destroyed right than and there and yet it still needed time which means it is a worthless ability in any context outside of FT and even than it is too slow to work in time before someone else destroys it. But it really is not that much of a planet buster anyway because it does not bust the planet, it causes a malfunction of the system of magic that by proxy blows itself up along with the planet which is so far removed from a standard planet buster that it barely even counts anymore. Put this in any other setting and it can't even do that because it took decades if not centuries for it to get to the point it could and that is only if it can even cause said explosion at all when some settings have specific rules and ways their planet works that would not allow a being like him to do that making him unable to even blow a planet up. Show me scans that said or showed she did any of this. I have heard it was only...

You're not reading the other sides post than. He needs to produce magic before he can even cause said explosion which is never stated to be instant and therefore needs too much time to do so which would fuck his chances over in a standard match against someone who is strong enough to one shot him anyway, even speed equal does not favor him in a match like that, which if he were in a setting different in FT, would make his "planet level' explosion worthless. Now tell us how long that took because everything I am seeing shows it needing time even after a buff in order to do that. Which means it was too slow even for FT to have done what it could before getting stopped in the first place. Notice it says it took "years" that alone tells us it could not amplify magic fast enough to overload it in that world. At most it went to Country level which is already where we have FT capped at which means in a standard match Face guy would not be doing anything to people above Country level...

Okay an this has anything to do with what I am taking about how? Lol no, that's not how it works, the only reason Face is doing this is because of the overload of magical energy to being with which is outside of it's own ability. Lucia with the Endless is just Lucia powered up where as this Face guy needs an environmental requirement that would not exist outside of FT itself. Nothing shows it can instantly overload the world with magical energy by itself without someone like Selena to be there adding more of their own and said abuse of system would not even work in a match against another verse like Drakengard here.

Notice that my argument is that it needing a build up at all removes it's chance of being Planet level in the standard sense and therefore would not work the same way in a OBD match since it needs help in order to do so. If someone like Saiyan Saga Vegeta, or anyone above at least Country level were in FT they could just blast it or anyone else before they have time to do it even with speed equal since it cannot just blow the planet up on it's own and without Selena to overload the magic to begin with means it may not be able to do anything at all, this is even worse if they are fighting another verse which does not comply to the same rules as Drakengard does so overloading magic will do nothing. It's not semantics if it is a Critical flaw that prevents it from even working in most cases to begin with.

Which still implies it took time and was not instant and again, the fact they need to start accumulating magic beforehand disproves of it being "planet level" by itself since it needs prep in order to work. All we hear the old women say is their job is to keep Magical energy low, nothing says they were just fine and the fact magic even exists at all is an environmental factor that would not exist in any neutral setting we have that either has no magic or has a power system too different from it, like say Naruto, Bleach, and One piece, so the factors required for the "planet level" suicide bomb would not exist outside of FT itself. You would need to first prove why a setting like Drakengard would follow the same magical rule set since it's type of magic might be different. Yeah no, if it needs to be accumulated and built up beforehand it is not planet level in the same way as a more standard series like Dragon Ball Z where someone like just Saiyan Saga Vegeta can outright blow up a...

>he still can't tell the difference between negs and ratings >still bitching about them as if he did not hypocritically do the very same to such a point the mods had to rating ban him twice Lol once again, so fragile. All it tells me is that it needs time to accumulate and build itself up so it can pull it off said explosion, and the old lady's wording implies it took "generations" to get there so it is not close to instant. There are also more than just one "faces" so it is not even one character alone that is planet level to do that, it needs more than one and needs lots of prep which was my point from the very start. No one in FT is planet level.

So based on what Xho told me Rave has at least 4 planet level characters so there is that, but FT never shows to have any on that level, only country.

Only the first has any where as "Destroy the planet" in any of the others is vague and says nothing on it being instant like it would be in something like Dragon Ball Z and once again, planet level is far removed from Multiversial. Destroying magic also means nothing in this case as we never see a true planet buster in FT so it would only scale to the strongest DC FT gets to which is far below Planet level Yeah sure lol. Other way around considering you have provided jack shit on FT or Rave being planet level and your argument has been called into question multiple times and found lacking by others besides me.

Yeah no if there is zero confirmation than we have zero reason to take it as canon as it's not like Authors do not get involved in unofficial crossovers which they never state is canon afterwords anyway. Considering just how much of a fucking leap that is to FT and RM's current scale of power be Multiversal when they never even reached Planet level anywhere else in their own series it is far more likely not meant to be taken seriously as canon as Yokoverse is since that has the creator state multiple times in both game and interviews to all be connected. Lol you gotta make it less obvious how much it rustles you to take a single negative rating, it makes you look fragile.