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I’m in agreement there is probably no true one system fits all approach, my issue rn is our current system is like a broken down car that barely really fits any I’m less invested in this than I come off as but figured I may as well bring up the issue because everyone’s sort of thinking it but nobody wants to fix it lol Not that I blame anybody

I'm not on its face against the inclusion of dimensions that really demonstrate they are a leg up but just warning you that's gonna get the most pushback here because so many of the regulars hate VSB's way of doing things lol My issues with VSB's system are different though I went into it more detail in the linked post in OP. Trying to find a solid way to quantify the boundary aspect separating universes/spaces is a good idea though, and I think something that if taken into account will both help provide the nuance this type of tiering needs as well as be acceptable to a lot of the community.

Also tbh I think this forum specifically has placed more importance on the separation between the spaces than actually matters. To me that denotes at best greater range, but not necessarily power. Eg. Transformers has universes with an uncountable infinity of branch universes, for one universe. That makes it the equivalent of essentially an infinite amount of multiverses just off that timeline despite them not being specifically highlighted as particularly separate from the rest of the wider multiverse. Nobody is going to convince me that somehow, because it isn't "grouped" it's less impressive than another series that has the same amount of "material" but groups them accordingly.

I think for the purpose of this hobby it doesn't even matter which one of those it is. If a universe contained other universe sized spaces, then it is obviously larger than another regular universe. You can extend this as much as needed.

Oh yeah, that’s honestly probably more relevant than the multiversal stuff as obviously DB characters are used a lot. The universal stuff isn’t currently broken down very well

i got no issue with the naming conventions, the tier itself just doesnt make sense

Posted this on FV but I figured I'd place it here to for input Basically, throughout the OBD's history, many people have always tried to reform the system because multiversal matches are a headache. There've been multiple in the pipeline that never pan out for different reasons. But it's pretty...