Posted this on FV but I figured I'd place it here to for input
Basically, throughout the OBD's history, many people have always tried to reform the system because multiversal matches are a headache. There've been multiple in the pipeline that never pan out for different reasons. But it's pretty clear the system needs revision, nobody can agree on how. As the hobby has grown considerably and VSB is now the forefront of it, a lot of the internet at large cedes to their standards. Obviously most people on this forum dislike this, but I wanted to evaluate it and ours to see where improvement could be made.
This was my take on comparing and contrasting their system to ours and problems I found with both
www.fanverse.org
That's my understand as someone with an absolute dog ass math education, anyone who gets this stuff better can feel free to correct me. My issues with tiering systems in this hobby thus far are
->does not account for different cosmologies effectively enough, even mathematically using the same basis
->cannot seem to agree on what the 'baseline' infinity is to start measuring up from. Is it the infinite universe? If so, a system needs to strictly account for that when trying to break into the super complicated Aleph stuff, and it doesn't seem to me like VSB's has, though I think their staff are somewhat aware of that. They mention that an amount of X universes would be equivalent to a higher space, but then seem to drop this rule as they move on. This forum on the other hand only uses the latter approach and near-never the former (only seen it accepted for Elder Scrolls and the Dark Tower in my entire time here)
->The issue of non-measurable things. VSB is introducing byways to get past certain mathematic requirements for Tier 1A on the virtue that they cannot be considered the same in terms of how they're measured. Does this need to exist for other properties too, not just a character viewing a certain setting as fictional? For example, how does this type of approach mesh with a conceptual character, who has always historically been restricted to the range or scope their concept reaches. A flawed approach as it isn't a tangible thing that can be measured, but one that has been adhered to in order to prevent wank and NLF abuse of such characters.
A new system is needed to make the most of multiversal characters, but I'm not sure there's any current good model existing. One would need to be built from the ground up.
Basically, throughout the OBD's history, many people have always tried to reform the system because multiversal matches are a headache. There've been multiple in the pipeline that never pan out for different reasons. But it's pretty clear the system needs revision, nobody can agree on how. As the hobby has grown considerably and VSB is now the forefront of it, a lot of the internet at large cedes to their standards. Obviously most people on this forum dislike this, but I wanted to evaluate it and ours to see where improvement could be made.
This was my take on comparing and contrasting their system to ours and problems I found with both
Cosmic Armor Superman (DC Comics) VS Scarlet King (SCP Foundation)
I recently heard that Cosmic Armor Superman is literally the embodiment of the idea that good will beat evil, and that Scarlet King is the ultimate evil, the end of the universe. And an Outerversal Level threat. Can Cosmic Armor Superman stop him from destroying all realities? Would the plot...
www.fanverse.org That's my understand as someone with an absolute dog ass math education, anyone who gets this stuff better can feel free to correct me. My issues with tiering systems in this hobby thus far are
->does not account for different cosmologies effectively enough, even mathematically using the same basis
->cannot seem to agree on what the 'baseline' infinity is to start measuring up from. Is it the infinite universe? If so, a system needs to strictly account for that when trying to break into the super complicated Aleph stuff, and it doesn't seem to me like VSB's has, though I think their staff are somewhat aware of that. They mention that an amount of X universes would be equivalent to a higher space, but then seem to drop this rule as they move on. This forum on the other hand only uses the latter approach and near-never the former (only seen it accepted for Elder Scrolls and the Dark Tower in my entire time here)
->The issue of non-measurable things. VSB is introducing byways to get past certain mathematic requirements for Tier 1A on the virtue that they cannot be considered the same in terms of how they're measured. Does this need to exist for other properties too, not just a character viewing a certain setting as fictional? For example, how does this type of approach mesh with a conceptual character, who has always historically been restricted to the range or scope their concept reaches. A flawed approach as it isn't a tangible thing that can be measured, but one that has been adhered to in order to prevent wank and NLF abuse of such characters.
A new system is needed to make the most of multiversal characters, but I'm not sure there's any current good model existing. One would need to be built from the ground up.
