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  1. RyugaKishatu

    Do we need a new Tiering System for Multiversal Characters and Beyond

    My future post on Higher dimensions will tackle it. You'll see. It follows naturally from this line of reasoning. So if you agree with this, you'll end up agreeing with it too for the most part. I'll only be covering finite dimensions however. No, this is extremely flawed reasoning. A verse being created via a phenomenon that's named after the one in our world (and, may even be spoken of similarly) does not mean it has the same structure as ours, especially when we have solid proof that the Universe != our Universe with the evidence you yourself gave above. This sounds like a case of naming fallacy more than anything else. A verse is assumed to be baseline universal in absence of evidence otherwise, but when you have evidence that proves otherwise, that should take priority. Many "universes" in fiction are called universes yet are anything but a normal universe. I don't think that's where it would lead but even if it does, what's wrong with treating higher dimensions the way...
  2. RyugaKishatu

    Do we need a new Tiering System for Multiversal Characters and Beyond

    Can't believe I'm saying this but Endless Mike would be a good source to include in this discussion.
  3. RyugaKishatu

    Do we need a new Tiering System for Multiversal Characters and Beyond

    I have the answer. I joined the forum precisely to answer this problem as I've been a proponent of revamping the system greatly ever since I joined OBD. Here's how I think we should imagine Multiverses, or spaces larger than Universes in general. Let's start with a basic example. Take 2 0-dimensional objects, points basically. It is easy to see that 2 points are separated by (or in this case, connected by) a straight line, a 1-dimensional structure. Now take two parallel lines, 1-dimensional structures. They are separated by a 2-D plane (or, more appropriately, lie on a 2-D plane) of whatever size. Take two 2-D planes/sheets, and they're separated by a 3-dimensional space/cuboid/whatever. and so on. You can extend this logic to any number of dimensions (in fact, we prove this in my Linear Algebra classes). Similarly, if we imagine a normal universe to be a 4-dimensional continuum (3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension), then 2 universes co-existing in a verse, would...
  4. RyugaKishatu

    Do we need a new Tiering System for Multiversal Characters and Beyond

    The Afterlife (Otherworld) is stated to be hermetically sealed off from the Living Universe, in some cases it is stated to be a space with no time at all, and in other cases it's stated to be a dimensionally transcendent realm over the Living World (transcendence in this context isn't referring to spiritual transcendence). All in all, it's safe to say that it is supposed to be a different space-time compared to the Living Universe, this is especially true if you use anime statements. The Kaioshin Realm is flat out stated to be a separate temporal world by Shin himself and it exists "outside" the main macrocosm so it's safe to call it a separate space-time as well. With all the evidence I've seen, I personally agree with placing such structures at Multiversal ranges. A multiverse made up of 2-3 universes (or universe-sized bodies), essentially. Could be higher depending on how you interpret Hell and Demon Realm (more info with Daima) but that seems like the best interpretation to...
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