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It is possible, but not entirely the only conclusion. Like the Alchides vs Yhwach yesterday...Err...maybe few days ago I don't remember and don't bother to open the thread again, but anyway like the Alchides vs Yhwach yesterday, using canon for Yhwach means you simply use all the feats he have, and see how it applicable in the vs scenario. He is the walking NLF, and I don't think they make NLF statement anywhere in there, I just think they actually wank what how it is used. Unless you consider that NLF. Unless you are going to say Yhwach being able to see the future as NLF...In which case I disagree. I sometimes wonder though if ORT's feat of absorbing and then copying is NLF when applied to other series . I once asked this in ORT vs DXD thread, got a clarification on how ORT actually works but in the end concensus is that its not NLF. Thats why I said "If". Although you can argue that since Frieza destroy a planet which is a star, and Goku overpower Frieza then he can destroy...

Yes I agree, repeating something won't make it come true. You repeating the false accusation won't make it come true. Others? Such as simply using the canon feats? Instead of needing to use Fan theory? Have you heard of it? Using canon? Blind and False accusation doesn't make you correct either. That is the "others". Goku having monkey tails as a baby is canonical. Things you can take like that. Goku using Kamehameha to beat Vegeta's Galick Gun is canonical. So if you say Goku's Kamehameha is stronger than another attack that got beaten by Vegeta's Galick Gun, that is valid. You are simply using feats. But if you use an outside calculation to prove Goku's Kamehameha is stronger than another energy without any canon comparison to, then you are using Fan Theory. You are not directly using the canon to prove. You are using Fan Theory. Wrong until proven otherwise. Especially worse when this isn't even your theory. Making it harder to prove you really are correct in it. So many...

It isn't. The others are not fan theory. I wouldn't accept them if they are simply fan theory. Unless you are saying something like Goku having a monkey tail as a child is fan theory. In which case you just be wrong. Thats canon. Not fan-theory. You are making false generalization and false of equivalence that everything inside vsdebate are just fan theory. When it can use real canon too. Scaling can be accepted because it compares feats directly from one character in canon to another. Fan calc are literally that, fan theory. I am not moving the goalpost, that part of "unless it can be proven true" wasn't even editted. My stance are still the same. All calcs are just fan theory, they are wrong until proven otherwise. I am not accepting any calcs someone use unless that someone can prove the calc to be correct. Hell, this is something I say on Alcides vs Ywhach, unless you have actual prove of expertise, or certificate of something for me to actually believe in you. Otherwise...

Those are not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be if I allow calcs from Fate but not from the others. Or if I use calcs myself but not allow other people to use it. Just because this is a fan hobby doesn't mean you need to rely on fan theory. Use other fandom for example, ppl making fan theory that Rinoa is Ultimecia is stupid even before being debunked by the developer...Which the dev eventually back down on that being not entirely sure. That is different than believe Rinoa can use Sorceress power that the game itself shows. If someone can prove the calcs are correct, then sure. Otherwise it is wrong until proven otherwise. Should I just randomly use any numbers and equation just to make a prove? Furthermore as I said; The fan can be wrong in the numbers, the fan can use wrong method, the fan can ignore context, the fan can exaggerate, the fan can downgrade, the fan can simply misunderstand what is happening. Like you can make the calculation that Gilgamesh can destroy entire...