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Of course it's Maddie that made sure the thread got to 4 pages. @Maddie what the fuck did you think you were doing there? Your neuroticism concerning the "Goku vs Superman" debate is genuinely unhealthy. Good Lord. Good Lord. While that is hilarious and all, a question I have to ask is, why did you involve yourself in these anti-Sera gay ops? Because, on all fronts, this is legitimately some of the gayest shit I've ever heard. Not unlike vs debaters on Twitter asking authors leading questions in order to fish out quote-mineable statements so that they can "win" debates. How little things change. It's increasingly sounding like you get pressed at the very idea of DC flying bricks being above solar system level, and that's, again, legitimately unhealthy.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind that either, given the kind of "macroverse" bullshit that tends to go on in comic book land.

Webcam Parrot seems to just be incredibly hyper-liberal with his powerscaling, even though he otherwise appears to be well-read. It leads to incoherent and self-contradictory nonsense like Hecate being stronger than the Presence because she embodies the "collective unconscious", which is equal to Dream, which is created by the Presence, despite apparently transcending and being able to reshape the Presence at will, even though he does everything he can to follow the Presence's rules for creation.

Never forget that Mordru is stronger than the Presence.

You can blame Webcam Parrot for that nonsense. This entire "X obscure cosmic comic book character is STRONKER DEN DUH PREZENS" VSB-tier trope basically started with him.

Technically, TLT doesn't have any feats unambiguously for speed. Because you don't need "speed" when you're a cosmic living abstraction that embodies the entire multiverse.