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They also have Shiki vs. Gojo... but why they never clarify WHICH Shiki they are talking about as there are 3 different Shikis in the Nasuverse: https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/SHIKI?so=search We have Shiki Tohno, Shiki Ryougi and SHIKI(The last one is basically the actual Shiki Tohno to Shiki Nanaya). I am guessing they mean Shiki Ryougi considering she's the only person whose generally in the Fate side so I guess it's her? EDIT: And they have an Arcueid matchup in the ballots too? Their comments on Astolfo vs. Venti though LMFAO.

Honestly not a bad match, all things considered.

It's funny looking at some of the comments trying to defend how badly Erza got stomped including trying to say that "Saber benefited from Grand Order" when it's well known that Artoria Saber is barely in Grand Order(She pops up so rarely, you can legit forget she is a Chaldean Servant). She only really benefits from Grand Order due to: A) The scaling of the other Knights B) Her other selves(Primarily the Lion King/Lancer Artoria) showing the ridiculous shit she could do with a weaker weapon than Excalibur including even becoming a Divine Spirit with none of the downsides C) The fact that her Dragon Core is in fact connected to Albion, the strongest existence on Earth which even it's hand can become a being that can easily rip through material made to require Divine Constructs to scratch(And it's canonically why she can handle Excalibur and Rhongomyniad at all). D) Her Excalibur truly is nonsense with it at full blast being able to actually injure and kill Lostbelt ORT, a...

Wouldn't really matter anyway as we already know Excalibur's 6th/7th Seal allows her to hit far harder than Planetary anyway which is why she gets the SS-Galaxy push anyway. You can thank the Case Files Novels for that comparison between it and a "Divine Spirit's attack".

It's because of Lostbelt ORT getting ganked by the Excalibur Cannon in LB7 who is explicitly Galaxy despite it's weakened state. While you can say it wasn't from Artoria's Excalibur and was from the Excalibur Chaldea had access to, it's still ultimately the same weapon with the exact same intent and ability right down to it's power and what it uses for it's maximum power. Thus Artoria's Excalibur gets the same benefit at the end of the day and that's why she gets that scaling too.

Which is exactly where we have her, that's why stated that they actually have a good handle on her without needing to try and go without the Moon Cell nonsense.

Ugh, then that fucks it all up again...

Yeah, it's like I stated before it seems like alot of people did not like Luke Skywalker vs. Artoria Pendragon for the same reason I had: It's just not a good matchup despite how similar they are because of how ridiculously far you have to push Artoria to get a good fight from Luke... and it would still come off a mess from both sides. Like I have seen people say that Ky Kiske is a good matchup but honestly, it would still end up a brutal stomp unless we have Ky well past Galaxy which just turns it into a stomp for Ky. Atleast with Erza, it can be used to get people to shut up about the "SB-Tier" low ends that never existed to begin with.

The irony of the entire complaints about "Fate Scaling" always tend to form into 3 groups: 1. The people who end up asshurt that Fate is the bigger top dog than Tsukihime so they end up sabotaging the fuck out of the scaling to make sure Tsukihime is always on top(Which gained absurd ground with the Remake and dudes going full retard over it). 2. The people who hyper-exaggerate the Moon Cell(Which isn't helped by terrible translations people have used which wanked the Moon Cell to insane degrees to the point the recent translation tends to be ignored wholesale despite actually tearing apart the Multiversal Moon Cell nonsense) which is the VSB route 3. The people who tend to downplay where the entire franchise is because they only read certain parts... which tends to be alot of series to be frank. Which just leads to the same issues you see when it comes to VSB/SB and other forums not having a clue where they are from but then wanting to judge it without even trying or going...

That's Extra/CCC that's the problem and there's the golden rule of "No one talks about the Moon" for the reason why. You've been on Spacebattles for too long because there is no scaling arguments for FGO at all, it's honestly clear where Servants stand at for any series outside of CCC.

They can keep saying whatever they want, they know it's true.

I like how most of the comments know this is a dog walking for Saber and even bringing in Shirou Emiya would be a better matchup for Erza. :heston I'd rather want this fight over Luke vs. Saber because there's no excuses to be made, even with the lower interpretations you can give, Saber dogwalks her, middle of the road is just a stomp of epic proportions.

So people literally missed WHY Yhwach didn't put him on that list? It wasn't because of power reasons(Yamamoto literally would fit that list otherwise) but the fact that in Yhwach's eyes, Yamamoto wasn't the monster he was a thousand years ago... that's it. It was literally just a personality reason and that was that. Like goddamn, it's not even Klub Outside shit, it's literally fucking explained in the following episode in the anime and in the manga.

Alright since I'm back, I'll actually answer this in earnest(I was on my Tablet and I didn't want to give an all in answer with that shit, no way): There is nothing at all that has Kenpachi in Bankai > Yamamoto In Bankai, not a single damn thing. The issue with people who use the Novel is that it's actually a meme that most people never actually READ CFYOW and only read the cliffnotes and assumed the fuck out of shit in it which lead to alot of people just making shit up and it's not helped by Narita then hilariously downscaling the verse something fierce(Which is why you keep seeing people believe R2 Ulquirroa still matters even in the Final Arc because of Narita). Otherwise, they take the fact that Byakuya and Hitsugaya was forced out of the story(Hitsugaya was on a mission and Shunsui didn't want Byakuya, a Noble, starting shit with another Noble), the fact that Kenpachi was schooling Hikone even in his strongest state and casually defeating a Primordial Hollow with his...

There is no basis at all

OOOF. They probably didn't take that into account.

Shinji Kido would be a nice match as they have ALOT in common... but where is Shinji Kido respectively because I didn't think he would be on any real level compared to the other Kamen Riders.

Dude, just say that Simon is on a whole ass plane of Multiversal+ rather than Goku just being Universal...

An actual fight worth a damn as while Naruto at his highest has Shirou beat, Shirou does have the hax game over Naruto something fierce.

It's funny because otherwise, Charlemagne would beat Noctis' ass in and I would be game for that.