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All I'm gonna say is that this is a really stupid thing to try and have gripes over, especially when you think we should only stick to the canon of what's been done when not every feat can be easily eyeballed outside of bare essentials which is not the same at all.

Because if we only limited to what can be used in canon, we would run into NLF's abound and end up with shit like "Sharingan cannot be defeated by anything but another Sharingan user" nonsense... or just see what happens with JJK wank. I don't really see how the first part doesn't also fit within fan theories because Goku never destroys a Star in canon, hell, it's fan theories that ultimately allows Goku to be atleast Solar System+ alongside his son at the end of the day in DBZ. Like I get your point, I actually do, we used to have someone who constantly expounds against the overusage of calcs to define a feat but here's the difference: He only did that because in most cases, you can easily just eyeball the feat and overrelying too hard on calcs has people see them as the only way to debate(Which we had when it came to the most basic shit in the recent Bleach Anime Arc). What you are doing is the exact opposite in that we shouldn't rely on calcs because you can use the canon...

I mean, you are saying we shouldn't use fan theory into account and not use calcs... but VS. debates as a whole are literally just fan theory as all they are is basically seeing which character from X franchise can beat character from Y franchise and having to make rules avoiding stuff like NLF, equalization of energy and so on and so forth. That is literally the entire existence of Fan Theories... I think you have been on Spacebattles too long to think that all calcs are bad because Spacebattles Calcs these days tend to be absolutely awful(They tend to not even take into account basic shit like Kinetic Energy or even the Speed of the object) as all of the best calc'ers there either left or only touch a select series. Like I can understand if one side uses calcs and the other doesn't as they try and force it to downplay but you can easily tell a terrible SB Calc done in bad faith because that's what they tend to do all the time but you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater...

Yeah, I wasn't denying that. Not all Stands are autonomous but there are some that have some level of autonomy or full autonomy. We've just never seen Silver Chariot display any real autonomy outside of getting it's hands on a Stand Arrow.

I remember saying that Silver Chariot is not Autonomous like awhile ago with actual video to the anime but CT does bring up the context better to why it matters.

Again, the fact that this actually needs to be explained is just ludicrous to me... We literally cannot see a single beam of light moving towards us, we only see the constant stream that long reached it's destination. Polnareff literally SEES AND REACTS TOWARDS the Light that is the Hanged Man traveling around. In order to even hit him, he would still have to depend on his own eye sight because as established against Devo, he literally cannot see through Silver Chariot: That never changed a single time, that's one of Polnareff's major flaws with his Stand and an issue most Stand Users tend to have.

The fact that it has to be explained is fucking maddening... The things people do to not give series kudos and try and add in pointless distinctions is ridiculous.

Again, none of that actually proves your point. Hell, the anime explicitly shows Polnareff is not only seeing The Hanged Man move, he's explicitly following him entirely. The 2nd part isn't even egregious because the manga has them dead ass hugging Polnareff and the Anime only barely has them any further and Silver Chariot would kill them trying to attack The Hanged Man. Neither really proves your point as much as you think it does, Polnareff can see it move and can also react to it, it works both ways and thus he can deal with Lightspeed opponents and go FTL in all but movement.

Polnareff literally sees it traveling before it reached the bumper... Neither @Thegoldenboy2188 nor @OtherGalaxy was wrong in this instance.

That's exactly what it is. It's easier to downplay things than to actually argue against them which is why you will have people bring up those examples then go into a tizzy when you bring up Saitama failing to kill a Mosquito, can't even hurt someone standing infront of him but somehow destroy everything else behind them, get hurt by a cat and fail to get to a battlefield in any decent capacity or the same thing happening to Deku.

This, again, fits another issue I have seen people incessantly bitch about when it comes to the Nasuverse: "People complain that characters can survive this but then get easily cut by swords and shit from other Servants", you know? Constantly having them as Glass Cannons and shit but here's where it truly gets hilarious: Nasu already clarified it as early as F/Z's Anime: A Noble Phantasm is absurdly strong even when it's not used at full power. There is an insane distance between just slashing with one, using some of it's power and a True Name Release. This is also shown in plenty of different series as well. The truly funny part is that most feats that people sleep on... are the ones that was explained in other series and are fully elaborated on later like this one: At first you are like: "That's just as strong as a Hydrogen Bomb" till you then read and find out the substance they are directly under requires enough energy/force to destroy the Planet and yeah, lol, it...

Honestly, this isn't even new at all to any series in fiction as you stated, the issue is when you have Spacebattles, CharacterRant and more try and ultimately force in the "narrative breaking" as an actual VS. debate for only series they think it makes sense for but never really understand how stupid it is to use at all. Saitama can apparently move FTL... but it takes him hours to find crime to keep his Hero standing afloat? Or to get to the battle in progress? No one says shit about that. Or how about Deku not being able to easily make it back to UA Island and needing to hitch a ride from Star and Stripe's Air Force Entourage despite the fact he should be able to outspeed those jets by leaps and bounds? Notice how they never bring this up but they will very clearly say that Servants moving Relativistic "breaks the setting" despite having clear reasons why they can't run that fast all the time: 1. It's the equivalent of doing a marathon sprint to get to your UFC Match, you think...

Yeah, that's understandable but the issue is that you also get it in reverse with people trying to throw in something to downplay because it's also "more consistent" It's a two way street at the end of the day.

Then those are good enough, "Consistency" is overrated as fuck in judging feats and there are other things that has to be ironed out.

I actually do understand what you are talking about. How many times do I hear people constantly bitch about "How they know Nasu constantly pulls shit out of his ass" or "being inconsistent" because in Japanese, him and the writers under him go by "High Speed" and all of that other jazz, meaning any actual localizations should never be used(Ignore that this is only ever done for the Nasuverse and not any other series that has the same issue). The obvious as hell issue is that this practically ignores things like the characters being able to intercept or dodge literal Lightning, dodge Lasers/Light, keep up with beings that move as fast as light throughout the series multiple times. Shiki Tohno cutting a Lightning Bolt from Roa is in a Melty Blood Manga for fuck's sake(which wasn't that long after Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero came out). So you end up with people constantly trying to rush in with High Ends and using pure Japanese translation to disprove things despite the various VN...

I could have made an exceptions part back there but I didn't really think that I needed to do that. "Everything is Canon" falls under that same scrutiny for obvious reasons so yeah, you will have to sift through the most consistent stuff and there's where you get it. As it's no different than DC, Marvel or other series that tend to be a massive expansive Universe like Dark Tower or D&D, you gotta find what's the most consistently used and work with that.

Well that answer is apparent: How far up the totem pole is some of the authors to the actual creators? Do they further use the info from one major author or another? Like yeah, it will end up being a pain in the ass but the buck has to stop somewhere, it's no different than Marvel or DC.

Oh no, I explicitly stated that WoG just needs to collaborate with what's shown in the pages atleast in the fashion that's what it could go to without much debate. Like it's pretty obvious that most of Transformers WoG fits with the shit we see in various comics and even the ones that most people can't easily find. It's the same deal with Miyazaki games even if he doesn't say it outright. There's a difference between that and J.K. Rowling... being J.K. Rowling.

Straybow can go fuck himself like Wildbow can as well :heston Nah but no actual harm to the author, just joking around.

Surprise I'm months late on this but I finally want to address another major part of the misconceptions and we primarily touched upon them: Death of An Author & Word of God. For those that don't know the actual meaning of the two, we will tackle them with their base definitions away from TvTropes: https://filmslie.com/death-of-the-author-roland-barthes-meaning/ And Word of God: (This one is a little more difficult to do without TvTropes so instead of bringing up that overblown site, I'll just do a TL;DR) Word of God is basically when an Author or someone similar on the highest chain(i.e. Director, Producer) states something happened, even if it contradicts the events we watched. Now why is this something that's needed to be known in a VS. Debate? Because just like how Word of God can even contradict events that happened in the show, there's a prevailing overuse of Death of An Author to completely disregard an Author's words in their own work because "contradictions"(Let's...