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  1. xenos5

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Vaguely defined invincibility not being treated as an NLF when it really should be. Mainly thinking of Video-Game power-ups like the Star Power-Up in the Mario Games and Sonic's Super Forms. Invincibility to anything in-universe should not equate to invincibility to power orders of magnitude higher than anything in the series you come from. Even if Sonic had no time limit for Super Sonic I can think of plenty of characters who would not have to wait for his form to run out to be able to damage/kill/destroy him.
  2. xenos5

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Yeah, it felt like a weird statement especially coming from the Wakandan who we mostly see as the furthest from Wakanda's high-tech society (him being more traditionalist/attuned with nature wearing animal skin pelts and shit). In the skirmish all he does is try to attack Namor, his weapon gets effortlessly snapped apart, and he gets punched into a small building (but miraculously he doesn't have a hole punched through him or even broken ribs, only his flimsy armor broke). The one thing I appreciated was Namor having to be nerfed by exploiting a de-hydration weakness for Shuri to even stand a fraction of a chance. But I definitely felt there were some issues with properly establishing Namor's power where they had to make him be able to singlehandedly dismantle Wakanda but also not kill certain important characters in the process (even though he showed perfectly willing to kill when he killed Shuri's mom).
  3. xenos5

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    With Shang Chi there is absolutely nothing supporting it, definitely. And even with Namor specifically where a character in the movie also make a comparison between Namor and Hulk. It's hard to judge how accurate that comparison really is when it's mainly just one guy who never fought or even really met the Hulk before (M'Baku) saying Namor is hulk level from just a brief skirmish where he seems way too outclassed to even be able to properly judge how outclassed he was. But yeah I can't imagine VFX artists are actually in the writer's room, even. So their "WoG" is especially shaky when they're likely just getting dictated the bare minimum necessary to get across the effects that need to be made.
  4. xenos5

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Yeah, there is a degree of nuance definitely. Another thing i'd add is the issue of who has the authority to give WoG to begin with. Only the main creator (though there are works where it's collaborative enough you can't even say there is only one main creator) or anyone who contributes to the work in any capacity? I can't even remember what was claimed. But I remember hearing people were using shit Murata was saying during drawing streams as evidence for VS Debates. ONE is obviously the original creator, and Murata does the art for the manga adaptation of the webcomic. So regardless of what he's claiming you'd have to question is Murata really in a position to give WoG in the first place? People can claim that MAYBE behind the scenes Murata is actually very involved with the manga's writing process and not just drawing what ONE dictates to him (that would explain some of the major divergences between the manga and the webcomic as of late. The manga has became style over...
  5. xenos5

    Misconceptions about VS. Debating

    Death of the Author exists for a reason. Some people will take a random off-hand statement a creator made about their series as if it was literally the gospel no matter how little the source material itself supports it. Or even worse some people will even purposefully ask creators about questions pertaining to power levels/power scaling as if they are supposed to give two shits about the hobby that is VS Debating when no good author does (or ever should) have that specifically in mind whey are making their story. Example: the random statement from the Ben 10 creator about Alien X destroying a multiverse in three thoughts (or some shit like that iirc). The Source Material always takes precedence. And if nothing in the source material supports an author's statement discarding that statement is always fair game.
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