"0 consequences" is a huge stretch ratchetYour role was egregiously bad Ultra, you were allowed to basically just play for town with 0 consequence. I think it was worse than the Magic role. I say this not to discredit, but to defend the complaints from the above players.
By the time I subbed in it was 3 people, I was semi Outed because town took Fuji's meme Indie claim then full outed with Nibel's claim.@Sigismund
@Fujishiro
@Dr. Watson
@Chairman Nibel
You guys did a lot of crying about my role and I get that's a bit annoying (especially with Nibel's arbitrary restriction, that shouldn't be there)
But you guys realize you were 4 votes with 9 majority
Literally all you had to do was find a single vote off wagon to win. Like convince a single member of town to vote for someone.
You just camped in scum chat and conceded with 3 members left? Why
the problem with that is if i modkill him i give him what he wants, a free resolution from PoEATE is gray area. That applies to Whicker and possibly even Flower in my estimation (as noxious and pathetic as that was)
What Lethal did was straight up against the rules though, that shouldn't have even been a question
By the time I subbed in it was 3 people, I was semi Outed because town took Fuji's meme Indie claim then full outed with Nibel's claim.
Then with the Lynch between only Watson and I, morale was completely shot and Mafia was fully solved. Especially from our pov after Novel and I had the exact same claim
Also a point y'all couldn't know but we targeted you so often because we believe Tweet was the SK. Hence' Watson's outing post of him. We believed someone was just protecting you with the redirects of lying about ability usage rather than assume you were the SK
nibel claiming fuji's fake was pretty unfortunate. i think he's really burned out from randing scum multiple times so couldnt be botheredBy the time I subbed in it was 3 people, I was semi Outed because town took Fuji's meme Indie claim then full outed with Nibel's claim.
Then with the Lynch between only Watson and I, morale was completely shot and Mafia was fully solved. Especially from our pov after Novel and I had the exact same claim. There was no real thread play out of that
Also a point y'all couldn't know but we targeted you so often because we believe Tweet was the SK. Hence' Watson's outing post of him. We believed someone was just protecting you with the redirects of lying about ability usage rather than assume you were the SK
the problem with that is if i modkill him i give him what he wants, a free resolution from PoE
i wud either modlynch or let him be. maybe shuda modlynched., thing is he stopped after being warned so didnt want to punish unless he continues. might have been wrong call in a heindsight
Uh what? Are you confusing Day 5 for Day 4. Day 4 we got your Lynch on Luka, day 5 you first post To vote me and warn everyone to be careful with votesYou had 4/5 required majority votes and you literally didn't make a single post that day, and then took to chat and spent all your energy complaining about how impossible this scenario was without lifting a single finger
You needed to extract just a single misplaced vote from Orca/Polar/OLU or whatever. Extremely doable, if I was in your position I would have won probably 80% of the time
I would have a tad more sympathy if there was even a lick of effort put in, but if there was, you'd probably have won and we would be having a different conversation
@Emil scum chat plz
So yeah, 0 consequence because his role was designed to make him nearly impossible to kill."0 consequences" is a huge stretch ratchet
if he picked literally anyone but watson, or if u guys did the kill with anyone but her (had opportunity to do kills with ratchet/fuji) he'd be dead by n4. even if u wasted a kill on him with watson, had you guys copped him n3 or n4 ud know not to send 2 more kills with watson.
or kill all town and lynch him, u guys almost had vote power to control lynch.
and thats disregarding ur ability to roleblock his refill if u got lucky, or strongmaning him if u happened to save the strongman
ofcourse during the game these calls r harder to make, but if any of the above happened ultra wud lose. they dont all need to happen, just 1.
The question for me was "can I - as a player with history of poorly structured arguments - really save Nibel and Sig in the thread against a highly experienced player?"
What do you think the answer is to that, exactly
On a realistic basis, the answer is no
Again, not defending the decision as I regret it, although I wouldn't feel comfortable half passing either
If Fuji and Ratchet were still alive, it would be a different story
Sig wanting to give up spoke volumes to me so I lost momentum right then and there
Props to Nibel for fighting more than I did
We could've manipulated the thread to possibly gain control, but the likelihood of that was very very slim in my eyes after the botched claim that would inevitably be addressed aswell.
Like idk. You've been on a team where the chances of survival and thread control are an uphill battle. The difference is players like you and RDK can. I have very minimal influence and when I do it's rare.
But we didn't. This is a theoretical which I agree with. It just isn't what went down.he picked literally anyone but watson, or if u guys did the kill with anyone but her (had opportunity to do kills with ratchet/fuji) he'd be dead by n4. even if u wasted a kill on him with watson, had you guys copped him n3 or n4 ud know not to send 2 more kills with watson.
Uh what? Are you confusing Day 5 for Day 4. Day 4 we got your Lynch on Luka, day 5 you first post To vote me and warn everyone to be careful with votes
There was not a point in day 5 where we had 4 votes on a non Mafia member
And I complained about your role until the mechanics were fully described. I said I still disagree with it but that's just a personal opinion
So yeah, 0 consequence because his role was designed to make him nearly impossible to kill.
CorrectWOAT display of play and sportsmanship
I said it was worse, not that Magic's role was fine. Subtle nuance is wasted on you, I know.You realize I would have been dead if I didn't pocket the town bus driver right
But you think Magic's role was kosher even though he could freely and infinitely protect himself and had an uncontested claim
???
Nibel's timezone made this even harder lmaoRequires some tight coordination, but very very easy.
I said it was worse, not that Magic's role was fine. Subtle nuance is wasted on you, I know.
"Everyone watch your votes this day phase"You had 4/5 votes required to achieve majority
If a single person misplaces a vote, your team could all pile on and hammer. Requires some tight coordination, but very very easy. Especially if you, you know, play.
Can't complain about mechanics when you didn't even remotely try to play an honest game. Because the correct consequence of you cowering in scum chat should be a loss.
If you tried even just a little bit, you'd have a right to complain, and like I said, you probably would have incidentally won.
im aware, my point is the chance of it all going down this rabid hole is much much lower than the chance of ultra getting screwed up somewhere, therefore claiming "0 consequences" is a stretchBut we didn't. This is a theoretical which I agree with. It just isn't what went down.
It was partially due to unfortunate circumstances. Simple
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