Carissa vs Elite Sternritter + War Potentials

[Astaro]

You need to lower the difficulty @Darth Zion Bleach can’t handle Fiamma yet

Round 1: Carissa with shards of Curtana Second. Sternritter start in Base, Shinigami with Shikai active

Round 2: Carissa w/ Curtana Original. Sternritter start in Base, Shinigami with Shikai active

She fights each character one on one. Who does she beat, who does she lose to?

Fight takes place in Buckingham Palace

 

[NeloAngelo]

The truth is that the Sternritters should win.

Under what is accepted here, they should scale from Kenpachi destroying the meteorite which was accepted as continent level, and in the case of the strongest they should reach planetary level through Uryuu.

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The only thing that Acqua has at that level was draining (and almost dying) half of the energy from Gabriel's body (which is known that that energy can take the planet out of the solar system) but that feat was never used for power scaling.

In speed they should be similar because of Kanzaki's feat but Acqua doesn't have something that ignores durability or something to pass Lille's intangibility.

 

[Astaro]

He did seemingly pull off his own Yuisen or something equivalent that matched Kanzaki’s from knowing every spell Kanzaki knows and more

Single Flash, Yuisen.

No matter how great the numbers or how strong the person, no one should be able to survive it.
Acqua's huge mace blocked the strike and, after trading a few hits, it was clear to Kanzaki that Acqua likely knew as many spells as she did, possibly even more. Since Acqua was not an ordinary member of God's Right Seat, he was even able to cast ordinary magic spells

 

[Paxton]

tbh I'm not seeing how that'd even help

an all-cutting spell means jackshit if target isn't physically present

 

[Darth Zion]

I think you need Carissa to pose a decent fight against the Sternritters. Acqua might be good in Saint-Tier but he's basically a brick who can control water that's also immune to punishments- his arsenal is not enough to defeat the wall of hax that would be thrown at him by people either comparable in stats or beyond him.

Yes, there are statements saying he's comparable to Misha but I think that's just in case of physical melee strength given he's never displayed spells that can telekinetically control thousands of stars and turn the planet to dust- besides, comparing an angel to a human just flips over most of ToAru scaling chains. So I'm giving this one to Sternritters.

He did seemingly pull off his own Yuisen or something equivalent that matched Kanzaki’s from knowing every spell Kanzaki knows and more

His counter to Yuisen can be interpreted as him creating an 'All-Cleaving' spell on his own, but it can also be interpreted as Acqua just countering the magic Yuisen is made up of and unravelling it. I'm leaning towards the latter given he never used something like Yuisen in any of his fights.

an all-cutting spell means jackshit if target isn't physically present

What are you talking about? X-Axis?

 

[Paxton]

I think you need Carissa to pose a decent fight against the Sternritters. Acqua might be good in Saint-Tier but he's basically a brick that can control water that's immune to punishments- his arsenal is not enough to defeat the wall of hax that would be thrown at him by people either comparable in stats or beyond him.

Yes, there are statements saying he's comparable to Misha but I think that's just in case of physical melee strength. He's never displayed spells that can telekinetically control thousands of stars and turn the planet to dust. So I'm giving this one to Sternritters.

His counter to Yuisen can be interpreted as him creating an 'All-Cleaving' spell on his own, but it can also be interpreted as Acqua just countering the magic Yuisen is made up of and unravelling it. I'm leaning towards the latter given he never used something like Yuisen in any of his fights.

What are you talking about? X-Axis?

yes

 

[Darth Zion]

yes

X-Axis is not like Kamui where the user gets teleported to another dimension to achieve intangibility. It's just plain intangibility- I think it's the inverse of his bullets which can 'pierce through everything' between the target and muzzle, the offensive version makes his bullet ignore durability and the defensive version makes his body ignore attacks.

 

[Paxton]

X-Axis is not like Kamui where the user gets teleported to another dimension to achieve intangibility. It's just plain intangibility- I think it's the inverse of his bullets which can 'pierce through everything' between the target and muzzle, the offensive version makes his bullet ignore durability and the defensive version makes his body ignore attacks.

(it's a step higher than that given that spirit ribbons are intangible to Shinigami on Shunsui's level and despite that he still needed his Bankai to affect him, but w/e)

my point still stands. can't really cut something if, you know, the attack just passes through

 

[Darth Zion]

(it's a step higher than that given that spirit ribbons are intangible to Shinigami on Shunsui's level and despite that he still needed his Bankai to affect him, but w/e)

It's basically layered intangibility, yes. But it does not work on the principle of 'not being there' like Kakashi's Kamui.

my point still stands. can't really cut something if, you know, the attack just passes through

Not really- Yuisen can cut through everything without exception using law manipulation. It matched Curtana which can cleave infinite dimensions and the world itself in half. The attack would not pass through- it would ignore the intangibility and cut Lillie in half.

But not really relevant here since Acqua can't use it.

 

[Astaro]

Guess Acqua having Yuisen might have been a reach

Switched it to Carissa

 

[Darth Zion]

Switched it to Carissa

Yeah, I think she can take most of the Sternritters- Curtana is too busted. The only serious opponents for her are Uryu, Aizen and Ichibe.

I have no idea how Aizen's immortality would stand up against Curtana.

 

[Astaro]

Also, Sternritter start in their Base form and for Shinigami start in Shikai since there isn’t much to argue for most until than and Ichigo always being in Shikai by default