Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[Xhominid The Apex]

Speaking of which, is there any Magus though that's akin to Mad Scientist type that's willing to research other brand of Magic?

To answer your question here, Magecraft as a whole ultimately encompasses all types of systems at once:
Curses, Norse Runs, Celtic Magic, the works.
HP Magic may be something they may have interest in(Like Touko being able to bring back Norse Runecraft into vogue after it being nearly lost completely) but that's about it.

 

[Paxton]

Meliodas vs Naruto

How can you compare hyperbole to a direct statement? Gowther has given us the measurements and it's explicit because Diane and King need to get out of the range of the explosion. He has no need to lie unless he wants to kill them which obviously is nonsensical.

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Jesus fuck, this thread is one of the main reasons why I cannot see anyone taking SB seriously...
Like I cannot fathom how you have people who can't just pick a single point and stick to it in terms of their actual standing.



So it's okay to use the Anime in this context but it isn't for other series? And when and how does Naruto ever stack to the Ten Tails? He never does a single goddamned time so I'm not sure what the point of this even is.



The fuck does Chaos have to do with any version of Meliodas?! And how is that explosion is supposed to be any different than what we see in Naruto? Because who it scales to? That's not how that works alone or with scaling from others.



That's not atomizing, he just blew it up and left a huge ass crater in the ground. Vaporizing, sure but atomizing is a big fat no.
And that wouldn't really scale with Naruto after gaining the Kyubi Cloak who can do far worse damage(Hell, it may not even stack with Sage Naruto considering the fact he can deal with Pain who can flatten an entire village with one move).



Jesus fucking Christ, Meliodas is NOT going to be able to Full Counter a goddamned Bijuudama! Do people forget Meliodas can only FC Magic right? We aren't going to pretend that Rule 13 allows it to be all energy based attacks. And there we go with the "Too Slow/Too Much Charge Time and can dodge" nonsense again...

I thought Tailed Beast Bombs were basically just huge masses of chakra?
Unless they also have senjutsu/nature energy infused into them, I wouldn't remember.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I thought Tailed Beast Bombs were basically just huge masses of chakra?
Unless they also have senjutsu/nature energy infused into them, I wouldn't remember.

It's literally a huge mass of positive and negative chakra completely interwoven into each other. Senjutsu can be added to them as well as other Chakra as they are ultimately inspired the Rasengan.
The problem is that apparently, Meliodas can full counter it despite only knowing the Magical variant and Chakra isn't Magic by any definition(And even then, we know FC can be overwhelmed, ask Estarossa when he tried it against Escanor the second time.)

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Meliodas vs Naruto

Proof it would hurt them other than just you know not wanting to fall into lava? Chakra lava. Literally a given considering how every element in Naruto is buffed to the max. Like you telling me wood can make giant ass golems that can contend with multi-mountain explosions? Sasuke can destroy a...

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Even when they get shit right...

Sasuke can destroy a mountain by hitting it. In The Last, he even completely destroyed a meteor falling onto Konoha easily. In his Susanno, he tore through meteors which even chunks of dwarfed mountains. Naruto and Sasuke are depicted as equals or near equals. Nothing you say will change that. Saying otherwise means you never got the idea of their rivalry.

No... no they aren't, hell, that's the entire reason for Sasuke's angst and why he's so pissed at Naruto.
Naruto literally was able to fight an entire War by himself and operate for DAYS without any real rest or being tired until he fought Sasuke and threw everything at him.
Sasuke was FORCED to use every other Bijuu's Chakra to even those odds but even finally grasped his Rinnegan on top of that.
Naruto was HORRIFICALLY weakened from all the shit he did... and Sasuke still had to do all of that... just to fight a tired and winded Naruto.

They are not equals or near equals, Naruto has his number on so many levels if they fought for real even with Sasuke's Rinnegan helping him.

To someone else:

False equivalence. The attack Guy used isn't a focused slash, beam or anything such, it's literally a pillar of compressed air being used to deal out physical damage. And it DOES cause plenty of environmental damage, literally burying someone several hundred meters under the ground.

But that's not a country level attack. Your argument was that Naruto can tank a punch carrying gigatons of TnT worth of energy behind it. Own up to that

Normal Madara - Gets the absolute piss beaten out of him by the Tailed Beasts... physically, literally just loses an arm for his trouble.
Being a Jinchikurri literally strengthens you and being the Jyubi Jinchikurri absolutely 100% does that as we've seen from when Obito was getting torn apart just handling his power and nearly losing his mind to it. Might Guy being able to not only seriously hurt Madara in that form but damn near killing him is that and MORE.

You keep using that word, but I'm pretty sure you don't know what it means.

We are talking about two orders of magnitude of power difference here. Meliodas comes, armed with a sharp, bladed weapon, strikes the person in question full force and is literally unable to break their skin as a result.

Later on he proceeds to punch someone with a higher power level, effectively turning most of their body into mush as result. Splattering someone like Fraudrin with blunt force require massively greater strength than cutting through them, not only due to him being more durable than aforementioned people whose skin can't be breached by mountain-bisecting attacks, but due to surface area disparity between Mel's fist and a sword.

This is some extremely basic physics at work here.

Yeah, Meliodas came back to life, regained some of the power he lost(of course) and made fools of some of the Ten Commandments, he got powerful, sure but let's not pretend he was at Escanor levels of nonsense when the Commandment you was talking about there WANTED TO DIE!

 

[OtherGalaxy]

yeah I'm not aware of NnT's magic having anything about it that would really equalize with other series. which is both a strength and a weakness

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Oh boy, more Harry Potter wank and pretending Nasuverse Mages aren't monsters in terms of physical abilities, magecraft and otherwise or how ridiculously powerful the overall shields and shit are in the Clock Tower.

"B-But Servants was able to wreck it" yes... SERVANTS with the help of Zouken Matou(Zolgen Makiri back then), one of the people who created the damn place!
Ain't no goddamned HP Wizards going to be able to wreck it.

HP wank on SB is utterly inane. Just to list a few examples of the wank I've seen over there...

• Avarda Kerdabra is conceptual
• Avarda Kerdabra steals souls
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill planets by pointing at the ground and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill omnipresents by pointing anywhere and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill anyone and anything, including all-powerful cosmic characters
• Harry Potter wizards would be one of the best ways for composite wizards to deal with the Time Lords
• Dementors are invincible
• Dementors are intangible
• Fiendfyre can destroy a planets surface
• Individual Wizards wards are all as powerful as the one that protected Hogwarts
• The shield that protected Hogwarts can instantly and continously disintegrate kaiju with kiloton level durability, and hold back a full strength Flood invasion
• Transfiguration spells are literally instant
• Harry Potter has direct help from an omnipotent
• Voldemort has planetary mindfuck
• Voldemort has continental reality warping
• Avarda Kerdabra is light speed so Harry Potter wizards have relativistic/lightspeed/FTL reactions
• Fire protection charms can stop Gridfire

 

[Paxton]

HP wank on SB is utterly inane. Just to list a few examples of the wank I've seen over there...

• Avarda Kerdabra is conceptual
• Avarda Kerdabra steals souls
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill planets by pointing at the ground and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill omnipresents by pointing anywhere and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill anyone and anything, including all-powerful cosmic characters
• Harry Potter wizards would be one of the best ways for composite wizards to deal with the Time Lords
• Dementors are invincible
• Dementors are intangible
• Fiendfyre can destroy a planets surface
• Individual Wizards wards are all as powerful as the one that protected Hogwarts
• The shield that protected Hogwarts can instantly and continously disintegrate kaiju with kiloton level durability, and hold back a full strength Flood invasion
• Transfiguration spells are literally instant
• Harry Potter has direct help from an omnipotent
• Voldemort has planetary mindfuck
• Voldemort has continental reality warping
• Avarda Kerdabra is light speed so Harry Potter wizards have relativistic/lightspeed/FTL reactions
• Fire protection charms can stop Gridfire

..I thought Dementors were intangible?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

HP wank on SB is utterly inane. Just to list a few examples of the wank I've seen over there...

• Avarda Kerdabra is conceptual
• Avarda Kerdabra steals souls
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill planets by pointing at the ground and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill omnipresents by pointing anywhere and saying Avarda Kerdabra
• Avarda Kerdabra can kill anyone and anything, including all-powerful cosmic characters
• Harry Potter wizards would be one of the best ways for composite wizards to deal with the Time Lords
• Dementors are invincible
• Dementors are intangible
• Fiendfyre can destroy a planets surface
• Individual Wizards wards are all as powerful as the one that protected Hogwarts
• The shield that protected Hogwarts can instantly and continously disintegrate kaiju with kiloton level durability, and hold back a full strength Flood invasion
• Transfiguration spells are literally instant
• Harry Potter has direct help from an omnipotent
• Voldemort has planetary mindfuck
• Voldemort has continental reality warping
• Avarda Kerdabra is light speed so Harry Potter wizards have relativistic/lightspeed/FTL reactions
• Fire protection charms can stop Gridfire

While I haven't seen some of those, I absolutely know they wank the fuck out of Dementors and especially Fiendfyre even now. And yeah, they do try and hang on the fact that Spells are somehow FTL because of one random spell caused a Broom to fly towards them from across the school means FTL for all the spells... or Voldemort's Hocrux means that he can never die and can easily regain a body in seconds... when that's not how it worked in canon at all(Voldemort was explicitly out and done in multiple ways and needed to either be a parasite or a truly misshapen and helpless baby and needing a ritual to even become an adult again.

The AK stuff, I believe, they even pretend it's as strong as a Primordial Death Rune from the Nasuverse which is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Paxton]

Who would be the strongest wizard in a composite wizard anyway?
Not sure if Umineko characters would count.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

..I thought Dementors were intangible?

They seem that way but they actually aren't. They explicitly do have physical bodies but they are damn hard to put down for any Wizard which is why Patrocluses are needed at all.
Hell, they can't even FLY in the Books, they only glide and float, it's the movies that gave them flight.

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

..I thought Dementors were intangible?

I don't think it's ever said that they're intangible directly. They needed to open doors to get into places, and in the movie versions (which SB in particular uses to wank them) was stopped by a grate in the 5th movie.

While I haven't seen some of those, I absolutely know they wank the fuck out of Dementors and especially Fiendfyre even now. And yeah, they do try and hang on the fact that Spells are somehow FTL because of one random spell caused a Broom to fly towards them from across the school means FTL for all the spells... or Voldemort's Hocrux means that he can never die and can easily regain a body in seconds... when that's not how it worked in canon at all(Voldemort was explicitly out and done in multiple ways and needed to either be a parasite or a truly misshapen and helpless baby and needing a ritual to even become an adult again.

The AK stuff, I believe, they even pretend it's as strong as a Primordial Death Rune from the Nasuverse which is absolutely hilarious.

If you mean in the 4th book, then I'm pretty sure that summoning his broom against the dragon is going to be nowhere near light speed. You'd be lucky to get hypersonic even. Yeah it's a feat, but you've got to put it through the same hurdles as everything else.

Ironically, I've seen these same people say that TES being FTL for calling down magic from the Sun is a bunch of wank when there's a fuckton more evidence to support that. This would 100% not be accepted for TES (or Nasu, or SW, or even DnD).

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Trafalgar Law vs Piedmon (Digimon)

I thought about this matchup and realized they both have similar abilities. Both are swordsman who use magic/teleportation to do major internal damage (although Piedmon is more than capable of doing tremendous physical damage). Obviously Piedmon is much stronger since he was easily able to take...

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@Adamant soul

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Who would be the strongest wizard in a composite wizard anyway?
Not sure if Umineko characters would count.

I don't think there's any single strongest wizard, but to throw some names out there, Dr Strange, Dr Fate, Battler, Divayth Fyr, Sotha Sil, Shalidor, Albino, Merlin of Amber, Dworkin of Amber, Merlyn of the Prism and uh...that's all I can think of right now but I don't doubt there are more.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Elric has gotta have some bullshit strong wizard in it

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

@Paxton Like let me be absolutely clear about this:
Almost every single feat SB uses from Harry Potter that isn't wanked? Comes from the Movies, not the Books and the Movies absolutely 100% wank the fucking shit out of Harry Potter Wizards and their Magic.
The fast casting they can do? That's movie only as only Dumbledore and Voldemort can even do that type of shit and virtually everyone else has to basically say the name AND move their wands in a specific fashion to get the spell to work(Hilariously, the PS1 game the Sorceror's Stone actually gets this right).

The fact that Harry and other Wizards have high durability for humans? In a sense it's true but it's actually false and it's more the nonsense from the extended fight scenes in the Deathly Hallows Movie. Usually Harry and Co. break their bones when they fall from human height to some extent but they strangely never really act in pain about it(Hell, Malfoy literally breaks Harry's nose stomping on him in one of the books and Harry barely cared outside of the pain but atleast he was stupified there).

Fiendfyre being... what it is? It literally only burned away the Room of Requirement... that's it.

You can go on a tear for how hard they usually use the movies rather than the books for Harry Potter because otherwise, the Books would have them far, far weaker than even their wank can go for.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

If you mean in the 4th book, then I'm pretty sure that summoning his broom against the dragon is going to be nowhere near light speed. You'd be lucky to get hypersonic even. Yeah it's a feat, but you've got to put it through the same hurdles as everything else.

Of course, it's just funny they pretend that it's somehow an FTL feat when it is impressive... but it's not that impressive by any stretch.

Ironically, I've seen these same people say that TES being FTL for calling down magic from the Sun is a bunch of wank when there's a fuckton more evidence to support that. This would 100% not be accepted for TES (or Nasu, or SW, or even DnD).

Welcome to my World. Again, Nasuverse Magecraft literally recreates known phenomena and as long as someone practices it enough, they can expand it to bullshit levels with time and practice(Shirou Emiya's Structural Grasp & Projection abilities are precisely this even with Avalon changing his Origin to Sword, Kiritsugu and other Mages see Projection Magecraft as worthless because it's basically a shitty 3D printer at best... and then look at what we see of it as EMIYA and that basically shows how well you can truly push that). Even the things they say Nasuverse Mages cannot do(Teleport, Mess with Time) are actually things they CAN do, it's just not efficient for them to even bother to do(Teleportation is not done because most Mages literally have so many defenses against it as a general rule, no one even bothers to learn it and Time Travel is a major pain in the ass, not impossible).

So yeah, Spacebattles don't know what the hell they are talking about even with the evidence infront of them, news at 11.

EDIT: Hell, Mages like Kirschtaria and even Servants that wouldn't know Teleportation have Teleported(Hell, Medea explicitly can teleport people and has done so before) so it's even dumber you have people act like Apparition would blow a Mage's mind when they know it exists and can easily do it themselves... it's just that so many mages make defenses against it, why bother learning it?

 

[Paxton]

I don't think it's ever said that they're intangible directly. They needed to open doors to get into places, and in the movie versions (which SB in particular uses to wank them) was stopped by a grate in the 5th movie.

If you mean in the 4th book, then I'm pretty sure that summoning his broom against the dragon is going to be nowhere near light speed. You'd be lucky to get hypersonic even. Yeah it's a feat, but you've got to put it through the same hurdles as everything else.

Ironically, I've seen these same people say that TES being FTL for calling down magic from the Sun is a bunch of wank when there's a fuckton more evidence to support that. This would 100% not be accepted for TES (or Nasu, or SW, or even DnD).

The sun/stars in TES were from when Magnus and the Et'Ada dipped from Nirn right?
Like they're basically just holes in reality iirc.

Would that be less or more impressive?
Knowing TES, it's probably the latter.

 

[Paxton]

Saitama (OPM) vs Accelerator (Toaru)

What happens is simple. Accel goes to vector reflect. It causes Serious Punch². The atmosphere is annihilated along with the surrounding space. Accel is obliterated with not having the time or understanding that the sheer energy created exceeds his automatic defense. Saitama gets flung away, but...

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Fucking Overlord_Rei man

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

Of course, it's just funny they pretend that it's somehow an FTL feat when it is impressive... but it's not that impressive by any stretch.

I'd also have to post pages upon pages to back up evidence of a feat which happened onscreen, which they'd ignore and claim had nothing to do with power "because magic" or pretend that they never happened (or even make up/alter WoG statements to match their argument). Meanwhile HP and Exalted get off scot-free with all sorts of NLF bullshit.

The sun/stars in TES were from when Magnus and the Et'Ada dipped from Nirn right?
Like they're basically just holes in reality iirc.

Would that be less or more impressive?
Knowing TES, it's probably the latter.

More impressive, for sure, though at the very least it's be the same given how the structure the tears are in is just perceived as a sphere due to the squishy finite mortal mind not being able to comprehend space.

Ironic because SB would use this to try and downplay TES, when the stars being "holes in the sky" is very likely not only more impressive than IRL stars, but just one of them being greater in scope then all of the stars in the observable universe put together.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'd also have to post pages upon pages to back up evidence of a feat which happened onscreen, which they'd ignore and claim had nothing to do with power "because magic" or pretend that they never happened (or even make up/alter WoG statements to match their argument). Meanwhile HP and Exalted get off scot-free with all sorts of NLF bullshit.

The fact they even treat the Harry Potter and the Fantastical Beasts Movies as actual canon when they never do that for most series(Even series where it's justified it happens) speaks volumes for how much they bend over backwards for Harry Potter.