@Paxton @Masterblack06 Yeah, I'm looking through that thread and it is such a fucking mess...
People are trying to say that the gameplay doesn't always fit the story but the buffs do or not all buffs do but the special buffs does and it's like holy shit, do these fucks even play the game at all?
In the typical sense, yes, gameplay battles do not actually represent the actual thing that happens in the story(For example, alot of the earlier story beats before Camelot never really established Shadow Servants that Ritsuka summons or really bring up how powerful certain enemies and bosses are except with some differences like Solomon/Goetia in London) but after Camelot, that completely changes as most boss fights and even some Challenge Quests actually do have their buffs integrate with their abilities).
Goetia's Nega-Summon is canonically active for the first few turns until it vanishes(Meaning Critical Hits AND Noble Phantasms do virtually no damage to him until they are gone which fits the canonical way it basically makes Servants worthless against him), signifying that Ars Nova has begun to truly affect him on a major level(Also, his AAS never has the true capacity it does after the first turn as a result of the latter as well).
Goetia is the antagonist of Solomon and also the main antagonist of Arc 1. He is currently unobtainable. Aside from Beast class, he also exists as a Caster class Servant as the King of Men. His alignment was changed from Chaotic・Evil to Chaotic・Good as of Id Chapter Release.
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When you fight Salter in the Memorial Battle Quest, she gains a "Defender of Humanity" Trait which all but states that in the very first Singularity, she was never going to kill Mash and Ritsuka and was basically trying to save Humanity herself(Something the game basically throws at you a few times underhanded until you figure it out later).
Event Duration: July 28, 2018 09:00 JST ~ August 8, 2018 12:59 JST
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This was especially egregious as this is what had people go on a MASSIVE spree on looking back through Singularity F and actually see that it tracks even now:
So yeah, this feels like a real stupid thing to harp on about when the game and the gameplay fits the same rule and the only person there able to even hurt Ashtart Origin... is basically herself...