Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[Paxton]

Man, I love seeing the classic "why does it have to always be about powerscaling" comment.

Like I get it, it can be annoying, but they act like liking shit is mutually exclusive from talking about it in a vs debate sense.

 

[Masterblack06]

Bruh

@ChaosTheory123
my boy you out here getting cited on reddit. You've truly made it

 

[Paxton]

 

[Masterblack06]

my mans living a fantasy

 

[Astaro]

Hax…. Eh you could argue that for Gojo. I’d love to know where their saying he’s stronger and especially faster than him though

 

[Getsa]

Bruh

Man choosing violence in the Clorox sub itself

 

[Astaro]

the funniest thing about the almighty is the whole "anything he sees he knows" thing cause that implies that if he cant see shit then he just gets blasted. so Accelerator and Kumogawa absolutely shit stomp him into the ground cause there's nothing to SEE with their powers

Yugi’s Penalty Game on Yhwach be like

 

[Mr.OMG]

To Aru Golden Dawn vs Bleach Verse

Good thing the Am allow the user to gain all information about powers and ability XD as i said in the thread about Yhwach v Fiamma (LPSAD) he would not attempt to stole something knowing it can backfire Not sure is that is a reliable counter, the AM can create future out of nowhere and does not...

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Universal+ level Yhwach

 

[Astaro]

Perfect timing. Just after I was mocking Yhwach wankers.

Aleister sees nothing of interest and summons Aiwass to go on a rampage on the entire Bleach verse while he and the rest of the Golden Dawn hang back

“It is all a single ceremony,” he announced.

Then the spell user spoke a powerful name.

“Come forth, Aiwass. Use the chains that bind thoughts as guidance and complete my objective.”

Immediately afterwards, that temporary universe was filled with an explosion brighter than the sun.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Man choosing violence in the Clorox sub itself

@ChaosTheory123
my boy you out here getting cited on reddit. You've truly made it

I'm literally just minding my own business until someone says some dumb shit.

Not my fault they keep dropping bait.

Can Yhwach negate powers completely?

I’m a bit confused about Yhwach’s schrift. It’s stated that it will “negate” everything Yhwach sees, and everything seen by him will also become his ally. Does this negation work like Askin’s Deathdealing? Let’s say adult Toshiro attacks Yhwach with his Bankai. Will Yhwach be immune to the ice...

www.fanverse.org

 

[Cryso Agori]

I completely made Daio shut the fuck up.

 

[Astaro]

Yeah uh, no I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

He specifically cannot see the future of the Soul King and its disembodied limbs, that's a feat for them and them alone.

There’s no further elaboration other than he just can’t. Especially since this is just the Soul King’s Limb with no Almighty of its own to argue to counter Yhwach’s own

 

[Cryso Agori]

 

[Cryso Agori]

They legit think Gerard>SK Yhwach. Xellios alts or something smh

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

... no? I don't even see how you're getting that. We're talking base properties of interactions, not amounts or copy-pasting specific powers or such. And I gave an example of such from other versus so you'd know that. I'm only saying that we should treat Cinder Fall as someone who is...

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Jesus fucking Christ, they went with exactly what I hoped they wouldn't go into:

Nasuverse Magic Circuits = RWBY Aura because reasons... they are getting torn apart for it but holy shit, this shouldn't be a thing at all:

That seems like a distinction without a difference, because in nasuverse every human with magic has magic circuits or an equivalent such as magic cores and magic reactions.

That doesn't mean that RWBY somehow benefits from having the protections Magical Circuits fucking have! This is like saying that because Chakra is similar to Ki and Reiatsu, it should have exactly the same properties and protections those do! That's not how Rule 13 works!

In versus, if something is universal (like all humans have it, or all power users have it) we do tend to treat it as something the other side has. Because nasuverse magic simply never runs into maguses without circuits because they don’t really exist.

NO YOU FUCKING DON'T! You treat them as if they are under the same concept so that Genjutsu can affect those without a Chakra Network or people can be affected by the Infinity Gauntlet, that type of shit. It does NOT give them the same access as the other side does whatsoever.

If a RWBY ability worked on anything without an aura, or required aura-control to resist, we’d consider Medea to have an aura and aura control, because she has the equivalents.

And if we did that for your backwards ass, then Medea would absolutely murder Cinder Fall that much faster and the entire VS. battle goes into straight chaos because now everyone will benefit from the shit they should and shouldn't all at once.

 

[Getsa]

Lol

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

I'm not really following your train of thought. Just gonna ask a y/n question. If Rin tried a low energy hypnotism spell on Cinder, could Cinders magical energy wash away the forming spell if actively channeling her magic for - I dunno - fire eyes?

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I'm not really following your train of thought. Just gonna ask a y/n question.

If Rin tried a low energy hypnotism spell on Cinder, could Cinders magical energy wash away the forming spell if actively channeling her magic for - I dunno - fire eyes?

The user already answered the question but the obvious answer is no and the followup should be:
"When has Semblance ever shown the ability to deal with shit like Hypnosis?" Because Emerald's Semblance has been shown to be hilariously effective on people even with full Aura activated.
Again, Shirou only was able to deal with Medea's Hypnosis attempt ONCE and the second she actually tries against Shirou, his Mage born defenses can't do dick from easily teleporting him to her to straight up shutting his mind off for the Bad End.

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

Factually wrong. Posting the Medea quote for hopefully the final time. "Do you get it now? It is my magic that is binding you and not my magical energy. A completed magic cannot be washed away by water like magical energy. It is just like solid and liquid. The solid does not crumble even if...

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Factually wrong. Posting the Medea quote for hopefully the final time.

"Do you get it now? It is my magic that is binding you and not my magical energy.
A completed magic cannot be washed away by water like magical energy.
It is just like solid and liquid. The solid does not crumble even if water is poured on it, right?"

…The shadow steps closer to me.
The bluish-purple robe melting into the night is smiling.
"But there are exceptions.
For example… Yes, the magic you people make is like mud buildings to me.
I can wash it away with a violent water current, even if it may be a solid.
Do you understand? The difference between us is that great."
-Ubw, day 6, Midnight/Calling

You wash away liquid with liquid - magical energy with magical energy. This is directly stated by Medea. The idea that resisting spells has nothing to do with mana is laughable. So is the idea that Medea breaking apart spells being something else entirely to mana, she directly compares mana to liquid, then says her violent water current can wash away spells.

I'm honestly curious. What other kind of energy do you think Medea has besides mana, anyways?

Wow, way to miss the fucking point of what Medea stated. Medea stated that Modern Magecraft is worthless on her(it is) because of not only her attribute as a Servant but also how she's an Age of the Gods Caster and thus can effortlessly nullify it in a blink of an eye(We literally see this in UBW where Rin's strongest attack was nullified by Caster simply raising her arm)

Day 14 (UBW)

Here, Medea's AOE covers the entire temple once her magecraft is cast, Medea’s protecting Kuzuki (and herself, obviously) from the fallout. Rin has to waste each gem she has against Medea's magic in order to defend Shirou from the AOE.

Here, Rin uses 3 gems to attack Medea and try and overpower Medea's next counterattack. Here, this specific spell is magecraft beyond Rin's limits, its an attack that will destroy the entire temple and Kotomine's church if Medea doesn't defend. Here, Medea blocks and absorbs Rin's beyond her limits attack like it was nothing. Here, that last attack from Rin was her greatest attack in the UBW route.

Again, Rule 13 does not give this to Cinder Fall or to Aura because "They are similar".

No evidence either way, though I think the andromeda interaction means something.

No shit the Bloodfort Andromeda affecting Shirou means something considering BA literally affects peoples' souls and drains them entirely:

Blood Fort Andromeda
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Army
Range: 10~40
Maximum Targets: 500 People

One of Medusa's Noble Phantasms, Blood Fort Andromeda is the counterpart Bounded Field thaumaturgy to Breaker Gorgon. It takes the form of magic circles placed as predetermined points. Immediately following the placing of these circles, people within the affected area will only have their life force sapped slightly, but once the field is activated, they will be quickly dissolved. However, it is difficult to affect people with knowledge of thaumaturgy. Thus, it is not a Noble Phantasm to be used for combat, but rather a Bounded Field created by Medusa to efficiently gather blood to drink for prana.
In the Holy Grail War, Blood Fort Andromeda was deployed at Homurahara Academy and activated. From outside the field, the school appeared normal as usual, but the interior was stained with blood, as its name suggests.

The truly funny part is that this misses that Shirou wasn't dying as fast as everyone else(Which is why he gets extremely brutal with Shinji due to it) and neither was Rin due to their being Mages and Shinji being Medusa's Master.

Si. They are not goop on the floor, so that's a block.

>Not being Goop on the floor = Blocking
>Shirou is literally pointing out he's slowly dying due to being in BA while it's activating.

Someone needs to know the difference between Blocking and Resisting.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Reinhard Heydrich(Dies Irae) vs Ollerus(Toaru) vs Yhwach(Bleach)

All are in-character, and there is no knowledge or prep. The Location is Soul Society, and the distance is 30 meters. Reinhard is pre-Atziluth but all swastika's are open. Ollerus is before he was hit by the Fairy Spell. Yhwach has the Soul King absorbed. The Victory Conditions are Death, BFR...

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[Xhominid The Apex]

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

No? Coffee washes fine against water. And Rin says there can be infinite varieties of mana types, so in verse it wouldn't be like a different mana type would just not interact with circuit style stuff. Rule 13 too, n all. Nah. I've already given my logic chains. >You resist any sort of forming...

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No? Coffee washes fine against water. And Rin says there can be infinite varieties of mana types, so in verse it wouldn't be like a different mana type would just not interact with circuit style stuff. Rule 13 too, n all.

This is why people need to shut the fuck up when it comes to the Nasuverse shit. There's nothing stating that there is infinite types of Magical Energy, Magical Circuits in the sense of how they work, sure. Infinite types of how Spells can work off of Magical Energy, okay. Infinity varieties of Magical Energy types?! Magical Energy for Modern Mages comes from the Soul, that's what Od means! And AoG Mages would be little different since their power would come from the Planet's high Mana levels at that timeframe.
And even if we try and say any of that is true, how does Semblance and Aura at fucking all fits that same deal?!

Nah. I've already given my logic chains.
>You resist any sort of forming spell inside your body - not just mind control, but petrification or body melting - by pushing away the energy trying to form said spell.
>Rwby mana pushes against itself.
>Fate mana pushes against itself.
>Fate mana allows for infinite varieties that are all slightly different to still interact with it.
>Rule 13 says the 2 systems must interact.

These logic chains are fucking horrible...
1. When has RWBY Aura or Semblance been shown to reverse petrification? Reversing Hypnosis? Reversing having your Mind shut down? Having your Body and Soul melt?
2. When in the hell does RWBY Aura "pushes against itself" like Od does?! You can't say these things without proof and outside of Mook's bullshit, that never came up in RWBY ONCE(and it's not like it matters since RWBY constantly contradicts itself).
3. That's. NOT. HOW. RULE 13. WORKS!

If it helps, stop thinking in terms of purging mind influences or "turn to stone" influences or whatever. But purging the foundation that creates those effects, which only simply requires the energies interact with the other. Which they demonstrably should.

I'm going to keep repeating myself until I'm blue in the face but when does Aura ever do any of that? This is why people should read Rule 13 before they start trying to pretend they know Rule 13.
When has Semblances or Aura have shown to do anything close to what Magical Energy can do for Mages? When has Aura shown anything close to what Od can do? If they have nothing close to that, Rule 13 does not give them these benefits, plain and simple.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

This topic gets worse and worse so this will be my last one for today... like holy shit, this is the worst level of reach I have ever seen in my life:

Cinder fall (rwby) vs Medea (fsn)

Er, nasu mana also has a physical force. See mana burst. It's never been described as an annihilation of mana as far as I can recall. If you can cite mana canceling its self out instead of pushing it away, id probably agree. Rwby magic has never shown that. How does that prove mana...

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Er, nasu mana also has a physical force. See mana burst.

Mana Burst: A
The ability to reinforce one’s weapon and body through the infusion of magical energy. By reinforcing the ability of the body to a great extend using magical energy, the physically fragile Artoria was able to fight head on with monsters such as Berserker. At rank A, even a stick can become a weapon of great power.
Executing large-scale body reinforcement through Mana Burst is only possible with Artoria’s immense magical power.
(Translator's Note: This is basically analogous to Strengthening/Reinforcement Sorcery.)

I can't believe the dude actually let him get away with Magical Energy having physical force because it explicitly doesn't. Mana Burst infuses Magical Energy into the body or into the weapon and Artoria DOES use it to infuse her clothes to get Armor but that's primarily due to the clothing itself.
Mana Burst has always worked on this principle.

It's never been described as an annihilation of mana as far as I can recall. If you can cite mana canceling its self out instead of pushing it away, id probably agree. Rwby magic has never shown that.

Magic Resistance is literally called that when it comes to Magical Spells...

Magic Resistance: A
Artoria boasts the highest rank of resistance to magic amongst the Servants. She is capable of completely neutralising grand sorceries involving magic arrays and instant contracts. Even modern magi of the highest level cannot wound her directly with sorcery. Artoria is able to resist an action force onto her powered by one stroke of the Command Spell. Such is the extraordinary rank of Artoria’s Magic Resistance, sufficient to shake the very foundation of the Servant System. If the opponent is someone who attacks with sorcery, Artoria will charge without fear and determine the outcome of the battle with a slash.
Also, as her “Pendragon” name shows, Artoria is the holder of the Element of the Red Dragon, charged with the task of protecting the kingdom. She carries the very magical power of the Dragon. This humongous magical power is also the source of Artoria’s Magic Resistance. Due to the characteristics of Dragon, Artoria has much trouble with existences such as Siegfried, who is associated with tales of “Dragon extermination”. If she is targeted by “Dragon-slaying Sorceries”, it is possible that Magic Resistance will not function to its fullest extent.
In the story, Artoria retained her Magic Resistance of A while having Emiya Shirou and Rin as Masters, regardless the two’s differences in power and characteristics. On the other hand, while having Matou Sakura as her Master, her Magic Resistance decreased to B as a result of Blackening

How does that prove mana annihilates mana from existence?

Cinder doesn't have mana coursing outside her body, so I don't see how it could physically shatter its way outside of ice. Nasu mages have the same thing, where if you create a spell with a physical nature outside of them you can shank em with it just fine.

This might as well be the "No U" argument done a thousand times because this doesn't answer his question nor a satisfying reason for why Cinder Fall not being frozen in ice after fighting Raven = Having resistance to Nasuverse Mages(We don't even see HOW that happens for fuck's sake)

Word this more clearly. But I would call "mana pushes away mana" a basic interaction. It occurs in both verses, and rule 13 says that should happen. Not really my fault nasu spells are weak to having their supporting mana pushes away.

Though mind, this is a common weakness anyhow. Basically any setting with a mana system will, ya know, have spells fizzle out if you yoink away it's mana.

"If I keep saying this, it will become true someday!"
Again, that's not how Rule 13 works genius, actually fucking read it.