Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 3: Laugh Hard with a Vengence

[Paxton]

How Many Red Dragons To Stop The Rumbling

Sounds like a NLF. Eren’s Titan form is far larger and thicker than golem armor, probably far more durable as well since he shrugs off bombardment from the air fleet. Can you target something through ten feet of rock? If not, then you can’t really argue that you can target Eren inside his...

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>Eren's armor being more durable than golem armor
>Eren "outshooting" basically anything in D&D
>Ymir "doing better in the transformation/mind altering department" than Tiamat

 

[Getsa]

So uh, am I missing anything or does the Gun Devil just get brutally raped every round? (Especially with Vergil in the last one)

 

[GaRbS]

Apparently, you think they are the bare minimum weak ass ships for some insane reason considering what we already know in Atlantis.

Why do you keep telling me what I think when I have given zero indication of that? Stop your passive-aggressiveness and debate properly.

No, it would first of all and second of all, why do you think the Cerberus wouldn't have an AOE attack for being a Divine Creature

Because it's natural to assume negatives. If there's no evidence that it can do something there's no reason to assume it can.

That's not how that works.
You are trying to equalize the problem without taking stamina into it or the fact that anyone would ultimately have wear and tear at the end of the day.
The 3rd Raikage died holding off an army of 10,000 on his own for 3 days straight, stamina is VERY much included with that as is the case for durability as well to last that long and durability does primarily correlate with strength at that.

Heracles would tear through Iskandar's Army because he has more the strength to do it and the durability AND Stamina to easily keep up. The sheer fact the Soldier straight up states this:

Stamina has nothing to do with the argument I'm making. Just because a Cerberus can hold back 10K doesn't mean it has the firepower of that many ships combined, simple as that.

You STILL haven't told me how strong do you think a NP ship actually is? Can you not give any estimates on its power or what?

 

[Paxton]

denji (Chainsaw man) VS DIO (jojo's bizarre adventure)

Ye olde FTL Jojo debate. Just off the top of my head, here's a list of things that happen in Jojo that make no sense if stand users are FTL. The only way these scenes make sense with FTL Jojo is if literally everything in the Jojo universe is hyperdurable and regular Jojo humans are FTL as...

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Oh boy.
Let's just tackle this mess one step at a time.

1. Even if you can react to a projectile being fired at you at a comparable speed, it being able to change direction on a dime would still be tricky to deal with (ignoring that Polnareff literally DID see it change direction when it was in front of Silver Chariot's sword). And yes that literally would make Avdol light speed/FTL for reacting to it.

2. It's a shit ton of projectiles also being thrown by a superhuman FTL vampire. 'Nuff said.

3. He's just that durable then. Not a hard concept to grasp.

4. Can be explained by either Jotaro not wanting to kill them, i.e. holding back, or again, Stand users being just that durable.

5. Anime physics lmao

6. That's not what was stated. It was a comparison made between the speed of a normal human and a bullet train, not literally stating that that was how fast Made in Heaven was going.
Star Platinum reacting to a bullet point blank is much faster than a bullet train.

7. Straizo was caught off-guard iirc, and the grenades were already completely wrapped around him by the time they were detonated. How the hell is he supposed to dodge then?

8. To be honest, I can't really think of an argument against this one.

9. You said it yourself. Again, it's an estimation that's so far below Star Platinum catching a bullet in between its fingers when it was fired point blank at Jotaro that it should be dismissed entirely.

10. Travel speed = / = reaction speed. 'Nuff said.

11. Also anime physics lmao

12. Bullets and missiles created by another Stand. 'Nuff said.

13. Again, Jotaro was explicitly holding back in that fight and was letting himself get hit on purpose. This would also make Ratt FTL, needless to say.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Why do you keep telling me what I think when I have given zero indication of that? Stop your passive-aggressiveness and debate properly.

I AM debating you properly, I'm honestly wondering why you think that in a place like the Atlantis/Olympus Lostbelt where you have ridiculously overpowered nanomachines bolstering virtually everything right down to the clothes to the point normal humans can't even wear them without potentially dying... that their warships are somehow NOT as strong as I have stated they are?

You can more or less say:
I'm tired of having to point out something so obvious that in any other series, wouldn't even be in question but this is the Nasuverse, so it has to be in question, no matter how obvious.

Because it's natural to assume negatives. If there's no evidence that it can do something there's no reason to assume it can.

Assuming negatives? You don't assume a negative in a debate, that's the equivalent of saying you are coming in biased. A real mark of a debater is someone who actually comes in to accept what they hear may be the truth and at the same time, also point out any flaws in the logic someone is saying.
You immediately assumed that Cerberus has no AOEs whatosever and he would just have to rush down and destroy every ship by normal means. You also immediately assumed that no one else would fire on Cerberus either in that scenario when we also know that isn't true which is why Stamina alongside Durability and Strength equally matters.

Stamina has nothing to do with the argument I'm making. Just because a Cerberus can hold back 10K doesn't mean it has the firepower of that many ships combined, simple as that.

Stamina literally has everything to do with it? If a Servant can fight off an entire army to the point of taking defeat from the jaws of victory, how is stamina NOT a part of it? Especially when you guys equally act like Servants will run out of fuel in minutes when that has never happened in canon outside of Kariya and Lancelot?(And that was done purposefully by Zouken as wanted Kariya dead to break Sakura)

And more importantly, I never said that Cerberus equaled 10,000 ships but your point isn't also correct either. If the Hulk fought 1,000 humans, you think that Hulk is weaker than that 1,000 humans because he got a few scratches at the end of the day?
Your point also isn't making it clear why should I agree with you in the end anyway.

You STILL haven't told me how strong do you think a NP ship actually is? Can you not give any estimates on its power or what?

>Literally gave you a video of the chapter that has the Servants disable the ships they come across rather than blow them up and quickly so they don't get overwhelmed
>That somehow doesn't give an estimate of their power

Okay...

 

[Paxton]

How Many Red Dragons To Stop The Rumbling

The shifters provide the nervous system-in non-Nine Titans, they're ONLY the brain/nervous system. And even in the Nine they're intimately connected. Like not needing to eat to maintain their body, for instance, and using the eyes of the Titan to see. Like, they're much more intimately...

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It took this long for the fact that the draconic god has literal reality warping available to it to be mentioned

 

[GaRbS]

>That somehow doesn't give an estimate of their power

Is it city busting, country busting, continent busting, etc? Can you not make it simple and tell me how strong do you think they are?

And more importantly, I never said that Cerberus equaled 10,000 ships but your point isn't also correct either. If the Hulk fought 1,000 humans, you think that Hulk is weaker than that 1,000 humans because he got a few scratches at the end of the day?
Your point also isn't making it clear why should I agree with you in the end anyway.

No, I simply would argue the Hulk is strong enough to beat a 1,000 humans in combat. That alone would not necessarily prove that his strength is that of 1 human x1,000 times. Just like how the Cerberus doesn't have the firepower of 1 NP ship x10K just because it can fight off that many ships.

Assuming negatives? You don't assume a negative in a debate, that's the equivalent of saying you are coming in biased. A real mark of a debater is someone who actually comes in to accept what they hear may be the truth and at the same time, also point out any flaws in the logic someone is saying.
You immediately assumed that Cerberus has no AOEs whatosever and he would just have to rush down and destroy every ship by normal means. You also immediately assumed that no one else would fire on Cerberus either in that scenario when we also know that isn't true which is why Stamina alongside Durability and Strength equally matters.

I made no assumptions on whether the ships would attack the Cerberus or not, stop debating with the me in your head and actually read what I'm saying. I don't assume that the Cerberus has or lacks AOE, if it hasn't shown anything like it there's no point in arguing about it, as simple as that.

 

[Paxton]

Yamamoto (Bleach) vs Adult Hitsugaya (Bleach)

R1: Yamamot takes it, he can go Bankai in practically an instant at least as seen in the Anime and with his Experience he should notice the danger Bankai Adult Toshiro has, its a Low to Mid diff fight for old man yamamoto. R2: Yamamoto should win Low to mid diff, also due to the different in...

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No, Yamamoto will not negate Hitsugaya's ice via Reiatsu because that's not a thing.

 

[Paxton]

How Many Red Dragons To Stop The Rumbling

The Titans have their own brains and nervous systems, just mindless ones. The Shifter just controls it. And so’s a Jaeger, do you think a Jaeger could be taken out by a DND spell short of Wish? And it’s not going to be separated from Eren here. No limits fallacy. Ymir Fritz has absolute...

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Comparing an actual Goddess to some mopey slave girl is fucking hilarious.

Imagine arguing that game mechanics would let a god get killed by 615 lucky hits from a peasant


And no genius, there's literally nothing suggesting that Ymir would be immune to Tiamat literally reality warping her away to Hell, if not out of existence period.

That's not how the concept of a NLF works.

 

[Gordo]

13. Again, Jotaro was explicitly holding back in that fight and was letting himself get hit on purpose. This would also make Ratt FTL, needless to say.

Not really

Jotaro was genuinely on the defensive against Ratt and got hit when he wasn’t trying to be

 

[Paxton]

Not really

Jotaro was genuinely on the defensive against Ratt and got hit when he wasn’t trying to be

Ah, my bad then.

 

[Gordo]

Ah, my bad then.

Nah it’s all good

honestly Ratt was OP for no reason lol

 

[Cryso Agori]

So uh, am I missing anything or does the Gun Devil just get brutally raped every round? (Especially with Vergil in the last one)

Hm, how strong and fast are mgr chars? Gun Devil should be city+ and if I remember correctly mach 500 from traveling all over the world in 5 minutes.

 

[Cryso Agori]

Hm, how strong and fast are mgr chars? Gun Devil should be city+ and if I remember correctly mach 500 from traveling all over the world in 5 minutes.

Here's the scans for context

 

[Gordo]

Movement-wise, that is ridiculously faster than anything in MGR

idk how fast their reflexes are tho

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Is it city busting, country busting, continent busting, etc? Can you not make it simple and tell me how strong do you think they are?

It's Demon God Pillar busting, that's Country Busting minimum, maybe even higher considering The Argo Jason was using was converted from The Golden Hind. Does that answer your question?

No, I simply would argue the Hulk is strong enough to beat a 1,000 humans in combat. That alone would not necessarily prove that his strength is that of 1 human x1,000 times. Just like how the Cerberus doesn't have the firepower of 1 NP ship x10K just because it can fight off that many ships.

Again, you aren't giving me a reason how that's not the case. You are saying that The Hulk wouldn't have the strength of 1000 humans because he defeated 1000 humans in a fight but you equally never give me why that's not the case to also put into context.
I'll state it for the record, I never said that Cerberus = 10,000 Atlantean ships, I said hold them at bay point blank as that's how strong of a resource they are. This is why I've been giving you those roundabout answers because it's clearly apparent you haven't even understood a damn thing I said.

I made no assumptions on whether the ships would attack the Cerberus or not, stop debating with the me in your head and actually read what I'm saying. I don't assume that the Cerberus has or lacks AOE, if it hasn't shown anything like it there's no point in arguing about it, as simple as that.

You literally been assuming this entire time though? So I find that extremely hilarious that you are accusing me of that now.

 

[Getsa]

Hm, how strong and fast are mgr chars? Gun Devil should be city+ and if I remember correctly mach 500 from traveling all over the world in 5 minutes.

AFAIK this place has them at Town-City and Mhs+ I think. I could be wrong though.

 

[Masterblack06]

Omg @GaRbS this is not the thread for your SB logic. If you wanna debate a character/verses standing then make a meta thread for it. If you came here just to argue with Xhom because he doesn't like how you guys argue about fate then tough titties.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'd rather settle this in a VS. debate than constantly go at it here and it end it there.
It's honestly draining and rather completely pointless at the end of the day since there's no convincing either side here.

Now to actually get somewhere that fits the topic:

Ciel (Tsukihime Re) runs a Servant gauntlet

Ciel vs Spartacus (Berserker) Jeanne d'Arc (Ruler) Siegfried (Saber) Artoria (Saber) Karna (Lancer) Gilgamesh (Archer) Rules: Manga, animes, games, VN feats Everyone at their strongest They are determined to win All equipment are allowed They start 100 meters apart The battle takes place in...

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1. Spartacus (Berserker)
2. Jeanne d'Arc (Ruler)
3. Siegfried (Saber)
4. Artoria (Saber)
5. Karna (Lancer)
6. Gilgamesh (Archer)

I think it might be better to wait for the translation patch to be released so more people have a chance to read it.

But I think withstanding the energy of the rotation of the earth and pushing the energy back with physical strength is a bit beyond the physical capabilities of Servants? That would be like, what, continent-level physical strength? This wasn't really a trump card, it was really just her strength and durability.
Albeit she was using Vlov's Idea Blood as an energy core, which also made her capabilities "more than human".
Furthermore Ciel's Great Magecraft, of which she has three; Cromclay, Einnashe and Be'ze's, are fully charged spells that she can use at any time. As in they don't expend her body's own magical energy reserves, because they are already charged and they are ingrained in her body in the form of magic crests. Gothic Fort for example is something she can do twice. Servants might be able to escape Gothic Fort with their Noble Phantasm though, but that also means they'll have less energy they could use against her.
Plus she is also immortal via paradox. Unless Roa is dead she will never die.

Some of this is correct... but it's heavily implying she can get these off before she gets her head cut off.
"Servants aren't Continental" Tell that to Fergus and any Servant that can destroy Grail Mud... which is virtually everyone in that list outside of Spartacus.
And I think that's when she's against Luminous Arcueid? I don't even think that's a conventional strength feat either...
But again, I say this as a person who hasn't played Tsukihime Remake yet I know that offensively in her strength, Ciel hasn't really changed.

 

[Paxton]

Weakest Type-Moon character that can beat Yamamoto (Bleach)? SPOILERS!

Surtr does everything Yamamoto's hyped to do but only in an instant instead of over time. Work down from there.

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Damn, he's spitting