Yeah, I would say so. In the TM ACE13 interview, the interviewer asks if the DAA seem a bit lacking compared to the world ending threats that comes up in FGO all the time and Nasu says something to the effect of "well I wrote TsukiR before FGO, so I only really got to that same level of scale...
Top tiers are around small city+ to potentially city level, last I checked they're casually around 4 digit mach I believe. I've seen some people put their speed higher but I don't know the validity of that
Yeah, I would say so. In the TM ACE13 interview, the interviewer asks if the DAA seem a bit lacking compared to the world ending threats that comes up in FGO all the time and Nasu says something to the effect of "well I wrote TsukiR before FGO, so I only really got to that same level of scale...
I'm so fucking tired of people getting this wrong... This is the Interview that Nasu has done when it comes to the DAA's:
Nasu: Back when we established the abilities of the 27 Ancestors, we thought having a certain level of power was enough to make one a top ranker among Dead Apostles. But, judging our dear members of the 27 Ancestors by the post-Fate/stay Night Kinoko Fantasy standards, the ones who are just "relatively amazing" will have to leave... In our current era, having decent strength and abilities doesn't cut for someone trying to call themself a Dead Apostle Ancestor. I'm sorry, better luck next incarnation!
The world of Dead Apostle is in a tough fight for survival...
Nasu: Taking TsukiR's final destination into consideration, I organized which members needed to be laid off, which new members needed to be added, and which pre-existing members needed to be upgraded. That said, it's already been 10 years since I came up with the new Dead Apostle Ancestor lore, so now I regret not having made them a bit stronger.
Yeah, FGO has a series of world-threatening enemies, so the Dead Apostle Ancestors could feel lacking if strong enough in comparison.
Nasu: FGO introduced a lot of new lore. But FGO's scale is only that large because TsukiR was produced first and laid that groundwork. Without TsukiR, FGO would have ended as a much smaller story. In that sense, pausing TsukiR's production to produce FGO paid off, and we'll get the brand new experience of seeing people learning what those plot points they've seen in FGO were about.
Can someone read this and emphatically tell me how does any of this point out now DAA's > Servants, Lostbelt Kings or Beasts? Nasu explicitly noted that when he came with the lore of DAA's, he went with the simple concept of just power and simple abilities(This is obvious when you see Nvrsqr who, while very strong overall, is really just basic power and really strong durability and Artoria can canonically kill him in his Interview even in F/SN).
HOWEVER, Post-F/SN, he ultimately realized with how he built Servants, DAAs would have fallen behind completely(As it was always supposed to be DAA = Servants) which is why he went with the major tweaks afterwards. But again, Nasu didn't tweak them according to what happened in FGO, hell, he very much implies the OPPOSITE where the REMAKE influenced where FGO's Power Curve went.
Meaning that for his bluster that Vlov "can demolish most Servants"(He hilariously can't, he's legit one of the most wanked characters I have ever seen in the Nasuverse despite none of his shit is impressive by Servant standards, let alone Divine Spirits), he failed miserably dealing with a potentially weaker version of Shiki Tohno at the end of the day(I say this because Vlov isn't even a true DAA as his body literally can't handle his power and he's more operating at the level of a high end Dead Apostle... someone who clearly isn't a threat to Mash in Melty Blood: Type Lumina and who we already have Cyborgs like Hansa who can deal fight evenly with them whose weaker than Kotomine in his prime vs. Original Tsukihime Shiki Tohno who can blitz even Nvrsqr at his best).
EDIT: The Interviewer even states that by comparison of FGO's World Ending Threats, the DAA's would feel lacking in comparison even IF they had the required strength and Nasu doesn't even disagree at the end of the day.
Omg @GaRbS this is not the thread for your SB logic. If you wanna debate a character/verses standing then make a meta thread for it. If you came here just to argue with Xhom because he doesn't like how you guys argue about fate then tough titties.
R1: Yamamot takes it, he can go Bankai in practically an instant at least as seen in the Anime and with his Experience he should notice the danger Bankai Adult Toshiro has, its a Low to Mid diff fight for old man yamamoto. R2: Yamamoto should win Low to mid diff, also due to the different in...
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No, Yamamoto will not negate Hitsugaya's ice via Reiatsu because that's not a thing.
Well depending on how you interpret Aizen's statements about how battles between Soul Reapers are battles of reiatsu, or if you believe he actually negged Soi Fon's Shikai (aka hadn't already activated Kyouka Suigetsu), it TECHNICALLY is a thing. Weather it is or isn't though , Yamamoto doesn't have nearly the reiatsu needed to do it to Adult Hitsugaya.
Now the heat of his Bankai DID neg Hitsugaya's Bankai before because it evaporated all the water in the air, BUT Adult Hitsugaya can generate ice from his own body as shown when Gerard touches him and starts to freeze. There's nothing to suggest Yamamoto's Bankai would be as successful against Adult Hitsugaya.
With all that said, I do think Yamamoto would still ultimately win a fight with Adult Hitsugaya, it just wouldn't be easy as by this point they should both be in basically the same tier. I don't think Yamamoto was genuinely surpassed by any Soul Reaper except Oetsu and Ichibei who were always stronger than him.
Relevant video: https://youtu.be/bzs5Lszo-4E Rules: -The Divine Tree is slapped down right in the middle of Kamino with no warning or prep for either side -The Divine Tree is controlled by Psycho Helmet like it was for its fight against Dimple, Japan is taken before the War Arc. Psycho Helmet...
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the entire verse is getting blitz'd and Kami beamed into oblivion
Relevant video: https://youtu.be/bzs5Lszo-4E Rules: -The Divine Tree is slapped down right in the middle of Kamino with no warning or prep for either side -The Divine Tree is controlled by Psycho Helmet like it was for its fight against Dimple, Japan is taken before the War Arc. Psycho Helmet...
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the entire verse is getting blitz'd and Kami beamed into oblivion
I think he can still kill a decent amount of Captains with it even then but yeah, Komomura is ultra-fucked lol. Of course, King Hassan solos everyone regardless.
VS Battle takes place in a empty I-Island a starting distance of 50 meters apart. Both sides characters are at their respective bests. Both sides are in-character. Both sides are compelled to defeat each other
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I don't see how Prime AFO can stand a chance against ??? Mob. I think it has to do with causing Tornados and Earthquakes spamming an entire City just by existing.
By the fact Shigaraki has facetanked (probably) worse in Tamaki's Vast Hybrid Plasma Cannon? Thing extends at minimum several kilometers due to UA Island being around 200 meters in diameter at least (and probably bigger-ish due to UA being a damn big school), and it stretches all the way off...
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I have no idea why NR thinks this alone is impressive considering that if we see how big the blast actually IS from Shigaraki's side, then it may be impressive... But this is the same person who believes that the UA Building they are fighting in is the size of a City(Seriously, where the hell does Bakugou's final attack get City+ from that alone? Shoto and Dabi did attacks that actually fit that range as well as Endeavor).
VS Battle takes place in a empty I-Island a starting distance of 50 meters apart. Both sides characters are at their respective bests. Both sides are in-character. Both sides are compelled to defeat each other
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I don't see how Prime AFO can stand a chance against ??? Mob. I think it has to do with causing Tornados and Earthquakes spamming an entire City just by existing.
In character Kevin with the might of An-Utu Win by death/Incap Kevin has complete Intel Kevin Kaslana the strongest warrior of humanity will be the Captain Commander of Gotei 13 He (PE Kevin) will fight Yhwach in fight 1000 years ago He (Nerfed CE Kevin) will fight in Aizen war arc And he...
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From what I'm seeing, this guy would be a better match for Fate Surtr, let alone Yamamoto who's him but worse
Since AfO can use Rewind, it'll be endless energy supply coming from him. I wish calculating earthquake isn't so hard. Especially anime Earthquake where it has nothing to do with shifting of tectonic plate.
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