Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4: Outskirts Ningen Dome - Laughing edition

[Adamant soul]

Sauron (Lord of the Rings) vs Salem (RWBY)

I feel that Salem is not going to succumb to the will of Sauron: she is as evil and demented as him and powerful enough to destroy an entire castle as a result of a fight. If Gandalf could do it, I feel she probably could do it as well. And about the tactic of Sauron becoming her advisor and...

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Gandalf explicitly CAN'T contend with the will of Sauron, that's why he refuses to take the ring when Frodo offers it to him, because he KNOWS he WILL succumb to it. Never mind the fact that I seriously doubt Salem's willpower is remotely near that of Gandalf's.

Also acting like destroying a castle as a result of a fight is impressive when Galadriel (whom no matter how much Jackson or Rings of Power writers want to pretend otherwise, isn't actually anything special in the grand scheme of things) did the exact same thing. ha

Seriously, Salem lost her shit and went into a bitch fit because Emerald literally used an illusion on her...
And she's supposed to be Sauron's equal willpower wise? Hell, it's not even the first time Salem lost her temper like the spoiled princess she is...

She ain't even gonna contend with Saruman's will, nevermind the Dark Lord himself.

 

[Masterblack06]

What about Necrozma? Or Eternatus?
Did they remove them too or?

Neither are banned

 

[Masterblack06]

eternatus also has infinite energy in the games anyways lol

>warps space time with pure energy

 

[Adamant soul]

>they also forgot victini and its ability to give infinite energy

What about Necrozma? Or Eternatus?
Did they remove them too or?

Like I question how much of these games they've actually played because, while they and their master are still the top of the ladder, the creation trio and Arceus are pretty far from being the only heavy hitters in Pokemon anymore.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

i wish swsh had better lore (and was just better in general) because Eternatus is probably my favorite legendary design since Kyurem

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Sauron (Lord of the Rings) vs Salem (RWBY)

I didn't manage to find a video of the feat of the castle, but I found a calc about its size and I do have to note that weaker people in the setting have shown more destructive feats. She also has other stuff like tk-crushing a flying monster. And in terms of mental defense, the closest thing...

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I didn't manage to find a video of the feat of the castle, but I found a calc about its size and I do have to note that weaker people in the setting have shown more destructive feats. She also has other stuff like tk-crushing a flying monster. And in terms of mental defense, the closest thing that she has is remaining more or less sane for millennia after being infused in the pools of destruction, that seemingly gave her an urge of destruction that she did not unleash until, from her point of view, the love of her life betray her.

They really are pretending Salem is some major threat to Sauron because... she telekinetically killed a Nevermore(That she never showed such powers again...) and she survived walking around for "a milennia" and didn't go insane... till her husband dumped her and tried to take the kids

Of course, as mentioned, the main advantage of Salem is that she can't tire or be killed. She can even come back from being reduced to dust and in a battle between the two, even if Sauron has the advantage, Salem can just wear him down until he loses.

>Sauron is a fucking Spirit
>Salem has shown it can take her hours to reform if she gets hit by an attack big enough
>Her Immortality and Regeneration is literally done due to a Curse by the Gods that is stupidly easy to break.

Seriously, I'm like the only person who truly paid attention to RWBY... and I don't even watch it, only hear reviews.

Salem has not been human for a long time: she has more in common with the grimm, soulless creatures made of living destruction.

Uh... yeah, that still doesn't stop her from getting corrupted by The Ring considering Sauron is the literal equivalent to an Angel...

But how is that going to help manipulate Salem? Sauron did that by exploiting the numenorean's arrogance and his status as a divine being to make them eventually adore and worship him. But Sauron doesn't have anything that could make Salem admire him: Given her poor relationship with the gods of the setting, at best she will not care about his divinity. She is also immortal and her goals are antithetical to that of Sauron: she doesn't care about order or control, she just wants to spite her former lover and the gods by making humanity destroy itself and ending her curse.

>Sauron was able to turn an entire City that KNEW of his existence and HATED his ass into worshipping him in like a century
>"How does this matter for Salem?"


You gotta be shitting me...

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

>warps space time with pure energy

Honestly, ORT's best chance is to start small and eat the weakest Legendaries and hopes it can adapt fast enough before the stronger ones mulch him to pieces through sheer BS.
ORT is Multi-Galaxy so it gives it a fuckton of leeway... but that's about it.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Sauron (Lord of the Rings) vs Salem (RWBY)

I'm not sure that the ring has much to tempt Salem with to be honest. She's already absurdly powerful and doesn't really need more power. Sauron being portrayed as this uber psychic also doesn't feel right. To control men he needed them to put on his rings that were connected to his Master...

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I'm not sure that the ring has much to tempt Salem with to be honest. She's already absurdly powerful and doesn't really need more power.

So did Gandalf and Galadriel, guess why neither of them wants to touch The Ring?

Sauron being portrayed as this uber psychic also doesn't feel right. To control men he needed them to put on his rings that were connected to his Master Ring, to manipulate dwarves he had to make them wear his rings but they were too stubborn and it failed (though the rings did lead them to ruin).

... HE LITERALLY PUT A HUGE CHUNK OF HIS POWER AND BEING INTO THE RING, YOU FUCKING DONKEY! No shit, he will need The Ring to make up for that when he literally did that.

Same with elves which failed even worse.

Yeah because they knew about him and what he did and stayed the fuck away!

He is, or rather was skilled at manipulating people with words but so is Salem (she even orchestrated a Fall of Numeror style event just like he did) and she's been in the manipulation game just as long as he has.

No she didn't, Cinder did(Hell, you can say RWBY helped orchestrate the Fall of Atlas more than Salem did) all of the heavy lifting. Salem literally just talked trash to Ironwood, then basically died for 2 hours and by the time she returned, Cinder did everything and Salem did jackshit. Hell, Salem's entire posse are literally dying or killing themselves due to easily being shown something different or working for CINDER instead.

Salem's personal combat skills are still at a scratching the surface stage, but there is every reason to assume that she's at least as powerful (and should be something more like 4x more powerful) as Cinder Fall, who can create ludicrously hot fireballs:

No, no, no, no. We have seen how Salem fights in RWBY and she fights like absolute hot ass:


Sauron would beat the ever living shit out of her, don't compare her to Cinder and act like "She's stronger than her" when she never displayed an iota of it when she wanted to get Oscar back!

She's ambitious but she's also like the platonic ideal of spiteful defiance. If she realizes that the Ring is trying to fuck with her head she might just try to destroy it out of spite.

>Salem is the platonic ideal of spiteful defiance
>Salem would destroy the Ring out of spite
>The Ring literally works off of ambition
>Salem seriously wants to die

 

[Masterblack06]

Honestly, ORT's best chance is to start small and eat the weakest Legendaries and hopes it can adapt fast enough before the stronger ones mulch him to pieces through sheer BS.
ORT is Multi-Galaxy so it gives it a fuckton of leeway... but that's about it.

Celebi kinda just undoes that entire plan what with free time travel at will

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Celebi kinda just undoes that entire plan what with free time travel at will

That's why I never argued hax there because yeah, you end up with shit like Celebi or if you want to include Pseudo-Legendaries, the fucking Unown.

 

[Paxton]

i wish swsh had better lore (and was just better in general) because Eternatus is probably my favorite legendary design since Kyurem

Pokemon has such huge potential but ever since X/Y Gamefreak's just been... lazy, for lack of a better word

 

[Masterblack06]

That's why I never argued hax there because yeah, you end up with shit like Celebi or if you want to include Pseudo-Legendaries, the fucking Unown.

It gets even worse when you rememeber they are all immortal thanks to Yveltal

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

muzan kibutsuji vs the six paths of pain

Says the person who continues to peddle outright lies about how Demon Slayer powers work, and then immediately left as soon as conclusive evidence was presented against your argument. The facts demonstrate that Demon Slayer characters are, in fact, above where most people traditionally place...

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Says the person who continues to peddle outright lies about how Demon Slayer powers work, and then immediately left as soon as conclusive evidence was presented against your argument.

Yes, in comparison to the guy who not only lies his ass off on how KnY's powers work but liberally uses ABC Logic to use as the foundation of their logic...

The facts demonstrate that Demon Slayer characters are, in fact, above where most people traditionally place them because of how relatively understated the speed dynamics are and the lack of flashy explosions or energy blasts (though Ufotable is trying its best to change that). It doesn’t mean that they can’t punch above their weight class to a degree with their speed and cutting power.

You've got to be fucking shitting me... UFOTable has literally done nothing to prove against anything in the Manga outside of making it look better. Hell, you have been caught numerous times lying about how fast shit actually is and how strong the Demons are in constant uses of ABC Logic.

ChaosTheory has shown time and time again Demon Slayer is a HILARIOUSLY weaker series than people wank and I thought that would have been true the instant Muzan nearly died to a cliffside bomb(And not even a truly powerful one like we have in modern day) but apparently nope.

Now, that doesn’t mean that Muzan wins here (he doesn’t), but that he’s more impressive than people think is something that can be substantiated with a simple analysis of the feats demonstrated.

No, Muzan would lose even to Sakura of all people Pre-Timeskip considering her damage soak against Pre-Shukaku Gaara and filler giving her some pretty strong strength feats.
Muzan wouldn't stand a chance to even the Sound Five, let alone anyone post-Timeskip or the freaking Akatsuki.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Pokemon has such huge potential but ever since X/Y Gamefreak's just been... lazy, for lack of a better word

yeah idk if gf is overworked or what but the more they sell the more they seem to cut corners. i miss emerald

 

[Adamant soul]

Shikai Kisuke vs Bazz, Mask, Bg9, Cang du

Shikai Kisuke vs Bazz B, Mask de Masculine w/ 3 cheers, Cang Du w/ Toshiro Bankai, BG9 w/ Soi fon Bankai (Restrictions: Vollstandig, Urahara Bankai/Gadgets) Location: FKT

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Isshin vs. Bazz-B, Mask and Cang Du

Isshin restricted from Bankai. No restrictions for Sternritter Who wins?

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Of course you got people acting like anyone on the Nazi side other than Bazz is anything resembling a threat to the Exiles, much less that they're going to lose to them because "hurr durr numbers hurr".

Byakuya pierced though bankai ichigo with an unmodified hado 4.
I assure you the type of attack matters and doesn't scale linearly in the way you think.
For Urahara's sake you better pray it doesn't. Base Bazz-B's BF1 can pierce Haschwalth with the same type of attack as Byakurai.
Meanwhile Urahara needed Quilge to be defenseless and vulnerable for his attack to take effect. Even earlier he stated the fight was too high-level for him to simply intervene.

Urahara isn't too much for raw power. In fact, Hado 99 might be his one chance at not dying instantly to the enemy..

This nigga Sables seriously just typed that URAHARA of all characters "isn't too much for raw power".

 

[Masterblack06]

yeah idk if gf is overworked or what but the more they sell the more they seem to cut corners. i miss emerald

i feel like they are overworked. More time needs to be spent between pokemon games to be getting some good quality

 

[Masterblack06]

Every Legendary and Mythical Pokemon except Creation Trio and Arceus vs ORT(TypeMoon)

Not really seeing what's stopping ORT from eating all the Pokemon to gain their abilities ,blasting them with gamma rays or just busting the planet tbh (without Arceus and the Trio)

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@Xhominid The Apex

 

[OtherGalaxy]

i feel like they are overworked. More time needs to be spent between pokemon games to be getting some good quality

yeah ive heard they’re a small team comparatively speaking which is weird when Pokemon is the biggest franchise on earth which is driven in big part by the games developing its future as a whole

 

[Masterblack06]

@Xhominid The Apex
the last thing ORT hears as Necrozma starts sucking the light out of the universe

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

@Xhominid The Apex
the last thing ORT hears as Necrozma starts sucking the light out of the universe

I see you are going all in on this huh