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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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People on the internet are once again spewing bullshit and saying that modern Mages in Nasuverse can't teleport.
And that every guy with a basic teleport spell can invade Clock Tower.

Clock Tower had defenses against that, right?
 
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Shikai Aizen vs Post Wano Zoro

Aizen has no Hogyoku. Aizen cant use Kyokasuigetsu illusion. This is Zoro after beating King. Assume he got healed. Has access to all swords. Location: Fake Karakura. Knowledge: None. Bloodlusted. Zoro can see Aizen (dont bring that stupid argument)
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So did the anime actually upgrade Kenpachi's meteor feat? I can't see any other way that Zoro doesn't stomp Aizen, especially considering Kyouka Suigetsu is restricted here?
 
Yes but actually no

there is a calc for it which is higher than the manga one but there's errors in the calcers math (I personally didn't look at it this is just going off the last discussion involving it)
 
Qinglong said:
Yes but actually no

there is a calc for it which is higher than the manga one but there's errors in the calcers math (I personally didn't look at it this is just going off the last discussion involving it)
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Good to know.
So Zoro should still be stomping anything short of RG level characters then?
 
LeonLex said:
People on the internet are once again spewing bullshit and saying that modern Mages in Nasuverse can't teleport.
And that every guy with a basic teleport spell can invade Clock Tower.

Clock Tower had defenses against that, right?
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First of all, yes. Secondly, given that limited fields are often isolated space, you still need to prove that some one can teleport there.
 
LeonLex said:
People on the internet are once again spewing bullshit and saying that modern Mages in Nasuverse can't teleport.
And that every guy with a basic teleport spell can invade Clock Tower.

Clock Tower had defenses against that, right?
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Like in a sense, Modern Mages cannot teleport in the usual manner(BECAUSE of the fact that many areas have ways to stop teleportation that it became that much out of style)... but they do have other means to get from A to B quickly.

The Clock Tower is one of the main places that has Anti-Teleportation and it's why Mages just walk to and fro there and can't really just teleport in. I've seen them say that for Hogwarts vs. The Mage Association and that strategy never made sense at all, especially when it is stated outright The Clock Tower has an absurd level of defenses and even having Zolgen Makiri and 2 Servants tear everything apart, Nasu in an interview had to further clarify that:

1. Most of the strongest Mages of that era was on duty
2. And as seen in the game, they didn't even destroy the bottom portion which Zolgen would have to know about meaning it was too fortified for even THEM.
 
There's like 5 things on that list Gojo can maybe deal with and there's 5 things Accelerator cannot deal with (with two of those being canon interaction losses)

perfectly balanced, as all things should be :tupac
 
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Mahito attacks the soul directly, as long as there is one soul and multiple bodies all bodies should be affected no?
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:giogio

Atleast there's one person speaking sense:

You can block Idle Transfiguration with just Curse Energy as long as you know the shape of your soul, even Nanami did it unintentionally but since he doesn't have full mastery of it he can't keep it up

Anyone who has Magic Circuits already know their soul as Circuits came from it, there is also the fact that the magic resistance of any Magi prevents things that attack the soul

For vampires this become double since their souls and bodies are now one and their immortality that reverses time
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Mahito would be worthless in the Nasuverse against anyone but the most ordinary of Humans. Spacebattles tend to ignore the most fundamental thing about the Nasuverse and that's the Magical Energy and parts of the Magic Circuits comes from the Od and that is literally the person's Soul.
That's the main reason why Resistance exists and Mages have to use other means to screw someone over because even a novice like Shirou can flex his Magical Energy to avoid things like a basic ass Hypnosis and it takes a Servant or a real strong ass Mage to overcome that.

Like yeah, Mahito's abilities CAN work... if he was someone like Theia who is just that much above everyone else but otherwise no.
 
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:giogio

Atleast there's one person speaking sense:



Mahito would be worthless in the Nasuverse against anyone but the most ordinary of Humans. Spacebattles tend to ignore the most fundamental thing about the Nasuverse and that's the Magical Energy and parts of the Magic Circuits comes from the Od and that is literally the person's Soul.
That's the main reason why Resistance exists and Mages have to use other means to screw someone over because even a novice like Shirou can flex his Magical Energy to avoid things like a basic ass Hypnosis and it takes a Servant or a real strong ass Mage to overcome that.

Like yeah, Mahito's abilities CAN work... if he was someone like Theia who is just that much above everyone else but otherwise no.
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Im not suprised honestly, tiktok niggas think Mahito would be able to kill stand users without the stand absolutely clapping his cheeks.

Niggas literally go "he just has to touch jotaros stand and its gg"
Ah yeah cause star platinum wouldnt crack his ass with the meanest right hook
 
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Im not suprised honestly, tiktok niggas think Mahito would be able to kill stand users without the stand absolutely clapping his cheeks.

Niggas literally go "he just has to touch jotaros stand and its gg"
Ah yeah cause star platinum wouldnt crack his ass with the meanest right hook
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It's weird because Stands are just the Manifestation of the user's Soul, not the user's Soul itself so Mahito shouldn't even be able to effect it at all.
It makes the Jester stuff dumber because Jester would be legit faster than anyone in JJK, would be tougher and stronger than anyone in JJK, legit has multiple bodies within himself and each have their own ridiculous characteristics and he can summon a T3 Tornado with the most casual ease.

The hell is Mahito able to do against any of that when his own Servant has issues killing his ass(And she's basically Hassan +2)
 
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>Gojo has it won
>Doesn't Funny have Love Train?
>Gojo doesn't win but Funny can't bypass Infinity
>Funny has Spatial Manipulation
>Not enough to bypass Infinity

Yeah, VSB debating standards are a goddamned trainwreck. Do they not know that Infinity can be bypassed? It was bypassed multiple times in it's own series for far less in comparison to other series.
Are they saying Infinity > Love Train?
 

Going away from how many people are becoming advisers in SB at this point...

No,one totally can as long as its actually believable and doesn't involve turning her opponents into idiots .
Of course that doesn't always happen and we get nonsense like "Contessa tricks Spiderman into believing a rock is a grenade/stands in the light in a certain way to make herself look like Mary Jane or predicting ROB"
All things I've seen and why no-one really likes Contessa threads.
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He is right on this regard at the very least as this is basically how ALL Contessa Threads come down as it's literally just retarded fan-fiction where her opponents will always be idiots and will just stand there or fully obey the nonsensical PTV takes and just die because of PTV.

Of course, this somehow never applies to Yhwach or Madara or anything else worth of note, just those that people don't like which makes the hypocrisy even bigger.

Batman sure but Dr Doom has her number in any way that matters.
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Nah, Contessa isn't even Batman on steroids, Batman fucking cheats and tends to literally be upgraded beyond his wheelhouse(From becoming a world class detective into somehow becoming one of the smartest beings in REALITY and from being the richest person in Gotham to somehow being one of the richest beings in the World) and that's not even getting into all of the bullshit tech he has access to as well.
 

"He only dodged that many attacks from Othinus beacuse he had a LOT of experience fighting Othinus. If he fights a different person, then his experience dodging Othinus' attacks is nearly useless."

:giogio



Not only is that not how Touma's reaction feats work (or reaction feats in general), I am almost certain he's dodged a comparable amount of attacks in instances besides his fight with Othinus.

Edit: Yep, just remembered his second fight with Accelerator and his hundreds of black wing's attacking him.

Touma has ridiculous precognition and vastly better reactions than Jotaro/Star Platinum.

Star Finger of all things is not going to catch him off guard :tupac
 
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I feel like this is falling into the "Prove that Contessa can find a cell phone in New York City" problem that @Planterros brought up earlier. Is it "fanfiction" to say that there's a person with a cell phone out there in NYC who she can mug? It's introducing a character that doesn't explicitly exist in canon, I guess, but I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption to make. Ditto if she wants to acquire a gun--it would be bizarre if someone who's functionally omniscient couldn't get her hands on one within an hour.
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Except that's precisely the problem with Contessa in VS. Threads which I will state better with the next post:

For Contessa vs Sukuna, Contessa has six weeks to do whatever she wants. I think it's safe to say that there's a huge number of ways for someone to get some explosives in that time period. If we were talking about building a nuke in a backyard or something else that can only be made in a tiny handful of highly specific ways, then fair enough, but we're talking about supplies that aren't that uncommon in the real world and that are far from impossible to get (as evidenced by people getting them IRL).
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This is primarily the problem when it comes to Contessa in VS. topics because what's stopping you from suddenly saying Contessa can use PTV to build something like Tony Stark's armor then? You can say that "Well that's not possible in real life" but Worm ISN'T REAL LIFE! It's also fiction with it's own brand of bullshit so what's stopping her from just popping in and created an Iron Man-like Suit if she just can't somehow scrounge for a Nuke when she never did that in canon for an opponent she wouldn't know even with PTV to do so because of such a real life thing called VARIABLES?

All she knows is Sukuna himself and nothing else, what would that matter for her to not take into account potential changed variables(Which is definitely the case considering she's popping in after his fight with Gojo and Kashimo).

It's like putting putting Braniac up against Spongebob Squarepants in a game of chess. I don't know the exact moves that Braniac and Spongebob will make, but I still know who's going to win.
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That's not remotely the same and you know it...

Again, she's given six weeks of prep time in Tokyo per the OP. Is it that much of a stretch to assume that the Tokyo of this setting is basically the same as IRL Tokyo, and that if you can find something here you can find it there?

On top of that: This is a prep-time fight. Prep-time fights happen all the time in fiction. Loads of characters beat tough enemies by finding resources that they can reasonably get and by taking advantage of their environment. Why shouldn't this be allowed in VS?
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WHAT. DOES. THAT. SIX WEEK. PREP EVEN FUCKING MATTER WHEN THERE WILL BE CONSTANTLY CHANGING VARIABLES?! The fact I have to say something so basic for a freaking Contessa match should show you why people hate the damn matchup for that precise problem. Variables aren't taken into account, Contessa can just randomly grab and create anything because "PTV wills it" and even if we go with her being "stuck in Japan", what would that matter with the nonsense that could come around because of the problems put above?
It's literally someone who can be written through fan-fiction to win vs. a normal ass character.
 
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