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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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^Maximum meteor is actually probably worth a look, just annoying I have to look up a real world landmark's parameters in the foreground enough to scale the damn thing. :hm


Not sure how the anime turned this


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Into whatever the anime gave us tbh. The fire arrow is definitely better in the anime where the manga implied most of the bullshit was due to Malevolent Shrine. After all, that's what is said to "annihilate" everything in that 140 meter radius area, who knows what kind of effect and matter the fire arrow actually hammered in the manga.

At least you can argue Jogo did melt shit to make his meteor from the first panel of its starting creation in the manga. Anime took liberties unless these Shibuya Incident scans aren't official? :hm


Yeah Sukuna's Fire Arrow is the biggest thing the Anime gives but they act like Mahoraga got huge ass buffs from the fight when... it really doesn't.
So yeah, Sukuna is the only one who really gets any sort of major buff.
 

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It never ends with how predictable they are... I swear, they are giving VSB a run for it's money in terms of going spactic the instant a new feat happens without even bothering to look for any real context or seeing if it's genuinely impressive or not.
 

Genuine question, why would Mana Burst not give Mahoraga an adaption that would deal with Excalibur? They are both giant energy attacks/beams in HF, the only difference is the scale of Excalibur Morgan.

Because there is a MASSIVE difference between getting hit by Mana Burst attack and getting hit by a True Name Release of a Noble Phantasm, despite how much you believe there is no major difference...

If Salter keeps spamming Mana Burst (She will, its literally her whole style) I don't see why Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to energy attacks as a whole and proceed to walk through Excalibur Morgan like it did Malevolent Shrine, but even cooler cause it's a beam attack.

Cool, so we are just going to pretend that Salter won't ramp up like she did canonically against Heracles in Heaven's Feel Trilogy? Or she just won't Excalibur Morgan his ass the second she notices he's adapting to her attacks? And we are also going to pretend he just adapts instantly when he doesn't even in the Anime?

Only in your absolute dreams will Mahoraga survive a freaking Excalibur Morgan even only accounting for the Heaven's Feel Trilogy


It's like people love to forget Malevolent Shrine is just Sukuna's Cleaves spammed constantly within a certain radius like all Domain Expansions are...

Salter's own fighting style will fuck her over here, since the base sword is not enough to kill Mahoraga and the Mana Bursts won't instantly kill him either.

Again, where the hell is this guessing that "it won't be enough"?! A simple ass Sukuna Cleave was able to take off fucking limbs and even cut his head off and that shit can be tanked! Again, this is a simple Mana Burst from Salter:


And that wasn't even her strongest one.

And due to that, Mahoraga will adapt to energy attacks from the Mana Bursts, and thus gain an adaption to not die to Excalibur Morgan when she uses it (After all, Mahoraga gained a resistance to cutting attacks in general due to Dismantle, the same should apply to Mana Burst and Excalibur Morgan, which are literally both just energy attacks with different scales), which at that point is a complete and utter GG since Salter has lost all potential wincons.

Seriously, this is some absolute god-tier delusions as he's acting like Salter's Mana Bursts are the equivalent of fucking squirt guns Mahoraga can deal with when he literally was getting cut apart by weaker Cleaves from Sukuna and only regenerated due to it's own absurd CE reserves...
Like holy shit Nursery, stop dicksucking this hard when you can fucking watch these fights easily on Youtube(The funny part is that Salter's Mana Bursts truly get impressive as shit in her fight with Rider in Part 3...)
 
Ayon isn't beating a captain in any arc really. Even if the captains need to resort to bankai because of limited feats they're still winning in the end
Post-skip Allon...who beat down Vollstanding Quilge and made him use Sklaverei to defeat him...not beating ANY Captain in ANY arc?

 
  1. She invented artifical souls, a technology that is extremely useful to Soul Society.
  2. She's monstrously strong just like the other RG members.
  3. She can make a tree prison that literally eats spirit energy, good luck to most of the cast trying to deal with that. There's a reason she had to fight Pernida specifically, his ability is a good counter for hers as it does not use spirit energy.
Only Ichibei and, in lesser manner, Nimaiya are unreachable monsters
No ALL of them are, the blood Oath Seal shit makes this very fucking clear.
The rest, is very different, especially Kirio
No they're not any different, including Kirio.
In fact of all five RGs
Only Ichibei was deemed strong to be a War Potential, no one of the others was not even Nimaiya
Other Shinigami were considered more threatening than them
Yes the same list that included Kenpachi at a time when he was fucking fodder to anyone who wasn't themselves fodder.
The same list that even Mustache's own people call him a fucking idiot for leaving obvious names like Mayuri off of it.

That list? Which is completely meaningless for power-scaling purposes for obvious reasons. :heston
Being a Royal Guard doesn't automatically put at a higher level than other Shinigami
Kinda does though. :maybe
Easy proof?

Kenpachi Kuruyashiki was offered to become a Royal Guard, and yet he is clearly below Unohana
Ah yes the character from a non-canon novel somehow proves fodder can be Royal Guard level. :kobeha
And without even considering Unohana, Kyoraku, Ukitake, Urahara, Zaraki...
All of whom are complete fodder compared to Kirio.
you can never tell me Kuruyashiki or Kirio were stronger than Yamamoto and Aizen
I can in Kirio's case and I am.

When one is so powerful that you affect all three worlds just by powering up and need to create a seal that necessitates the deaths of three other people just to unleash your full power, absolutely no one in the Gotei 13 compares in the slightest.

And that's ignoring the fact that even with the seal on, Kirio would still be stronger than Aizen.
And again, nobody gives a fuck about the non-canon shithead.
There's a reason why the only RG acknowledged as a War Potential was Ichibei
Yes because Mustache is an idiot or is simply using Ichibei to represent all of them. The list also includes Urahara over the likes of Yamamoto but I don't see you claiming Yama is weaker than Urahara do I?
War Potentials are a cool name to say the 5 strongest fighters on the Shinigami side
That's it
This is a battle shonen no need to complicate things

Yamamoto wasn't included for a precise reason which was in fact openly explained

The fact that other RGs weren't included but Ichibei was included even though he is a RG simply means that they weren't powerful enough to be a threat as great as the others
Not how that works I'm afraid, the fact that Mustache had a reason to exclude Yamamoto doesn't change the fact that, even bearing that reason in mind, Yamamoto is still far more of a threat than two of the names on the list.

He could have any number of reasons for not including the other RG members and we know for a fact it WASN'T because they weren't powerful enough.
Urahara, was according to Aizen, the equal of Shinigami Aizen before the Hogyoku
The guy has a Bankai that can destroy and recostructure anything, can literally heal any wound, boost his body, ignore the foe's durability etc imagine that combined with his intellect
Can use Hado 91 and HADO 99
Fought on par if not better with Aura who is said to be on Shinigami Aizen level
Tokinada said that he could oneshot him with Kido
With the reiatsu cuffs can kill almost anyone, and he was swift enough to fool Aizen so go figure weaker characters
And none of this changes the fact Urahara is weaker/would lose easily to Adult Toshiro, RG Byakuya, Yamamoto and literally every RG member. There is no valid reason why he's on the list and they aren't.

Don't give me that "Toshiro's full power was unknown shit" either because so was Kenpachi's.
The list is completely irrelevant.
Yeah his raw power is pretty amazing lol
Add his smartness and you have one of the absolute strongest
NOPE, again there are several above Urahara who were excluded.
Mayuri is also hella unpredictable but he wasn't chosen
And in one of your precious novels (aka the only one that's actually confirmed to be canon by the way) Mustache's own former soldiers give him shit and call out his stupidity for no including Mayuri on that list.

This doesn't help your case dipshit.
It is as straightforward as it gets, but let's make excuses for it
It really isn't though.

The second Yamamoto was excluded in favor of names blatantly weaker than him, especially given how weak Kenpachi was at the time. It really isn't as straight forward as you want it to be.
 
I think Final Fantasy gets wanked pretty high. Especially when we get to Durability.
Oh dear. :maybe
I don't believe alot of the gameplay mechanic feats. Or the Universe Durability with so many instances contradicting it.
But its a case by case basis.
I wonder what he defines as "gameplay mechanics" or contradictions with regards to universal durability? :mjpls
It also gets iffy when someone like Titan, who's power is controlling Earth, is treated as moving a mountain being physical strength and not magical. I remember this one getting lots of rage. There might be some versions that are this strong physically (FF16 perhaps?) but I remember a jackass arguing this for FF4s.
Titan 9 times out of 10, does a physical action every time it does its moves, why would its moves just be magic based? Even if they were, that doesn't change the fact they'd still scale to anyone who tanks them.

I don't see why FFIV's in particular WOULDN'T be mountain level, if anything it's one of the more blatant examples of it.
Also did he just say FFXVIs Titan was "perhaps" mountain level? :heston
 

Seriously, it just continues to amaze that Spacebattles always do this and do it without thinking:

New "feat" happens, especially in a series a decent number of people see in SB
Immediately make dozens of VS. threads about it against anyone and anything, from the punching bags to the favorites
Anyone who points out the feat is overblown is screamed at and we must take it at face value

Rinse, Wash, Repeat.
 

Oh dear. :maybe

I wonder what he defines as "gameplay mechanics" or contradictions with regards to universal durability? :mjpls

Titan 9 times out of 10, does a physical action every time it does its moves, why would its moves just be magic based? Even if they were, that doesn't change the fact they'd still scale to anyone who tanks them.

I don't see why FFIV's in particular WOULDN'T be mountain level, if anything it's one of the more blatant examples of it.
Also did he just say FFXVIs Titan was "perhaps" mountain level? :heston
that's just base titan too, not even Titan Lost :skully
 
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