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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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No they're not.

MEODP are the only ones in the Rainbow class which is the absolute highest at the moment.

I'm not sure where the hell shiny got that from... must be from the wikia as Fujino's eyes are never stated to be Rainbow Class, I don't even think Medusa's Cybele is Rainbow Rank either(I remember that Ophelia's Mystic Eye is Ranked Jewel).

You know that Distortion's eyes have no classification, right?

Nobody put them into any classification simply. So the argument that the Eyes of Death Perception are the only ones of Rainbow rank doesn't work. The description of Distortion's eyes already hints at something.

A superpower among superpowers, a rare article among rare articles.

It not having a current classification doesn't mean it must equal Rainbow Class, shiny, that's an SB-tier level observation my dude. Ophelia's Mystic Eye is a step removed from Musashi's Empyrean Eye and her shit is still just Jewel and it's pretty evident Musashi's wouldn't be any different.
Fujino's Mystic Eyes have alot of issues and handicaps that are only changed because she gained a ridiculous Clairvoyance giving them a boost they would never have otherwise. They wouldn't be Rainbow Ranked unless Nasu has explicitly stated they are and considering he has never stated so(Nor has Fujino's creator stated it either...)
 
You know that Distortion's eyes have no classification, right?
I can ask you the same thing .

How do you figure that they're as good as MEODP if they have no classification then ?

You pulled that straight from your lying ass.
Nobody put them into any classification simply. So the argument that the Eyes of Death Perception are the only ones of Rainbow rank doesn't work. The description of Distortion's eyes already hints at something.

A superpower among superpowers, a rare article among rare articles.
All you're saying is that they're rare, which they are.


Does that mean that everything rare is automatically powerful ? Does that also mean that it's automatically as strong as the MEODP ?

If yes ,based on what ?
 
Going back to the topic at large, I knew they was going to downplay Cu's Gae Bolg... again, acting like Mahoraga can adapt to it because "it just destroys your heart" despite Hollow Axtraxia shows it acts exactly like it's legend if it's TNR is used, piercing you across your entire body and every cell afterwards...

Not only would Mahoraga be unable to regenerate because that's the closest thing to an Authority Cu has(and it's basically on that level), but it would literally be just a mass of curses unable to form again...
Seriously, Mahoraga's Adaptation is such a NLF and it never ceases to make me laugh and cringe at how far people will push it despite it not even remotely adapting to shit of that nature because "It was able to create gills when it was drowning!"
 
Mahoraga was outright vaporized by Hollow Purple, his adaptation wouldn't come into play against anything with more raw power as anything with more raw power will so thoroughly destroy him that not even its wheel remained.

Again, sub-megaton, no hax, pure raw power, just a shitty explosion

There's nothing to discuss, ergo just let leave it alone :skully
 
Mahoraga was outright vaporized by Hollow Purple, his adaptation wouldn't come into play against anything with more raw power as anything with more raw power will so thoroughly destroy him that not even its wheel remained.

Again, sub-megaton, no hax, pure raw power, just a shitty explosion

There's nothing to discuss, ergo just let leave it alone :skully

Of course, that's what makes them pretending he survived Malevolent Shrine to be some massive feat to be extremely dumb. Yes, Malevolent Shrine can "vape" character but it only does that through a constant barrage of Cleave and Dismantle and even seeing it against Gojo, it didn't even vaporize him either meaning it doesn't even make sense to pretend it's more powerful than it is.

To argue he can survive a Mana Burst from Salter or Siegfried is just asinine on every level considering it died to a Hollow Purple which would be into MCB. It's just people refusing to use their brains for critical thinking and just go nuts because "it looks pretty".
 
I'm not sure where the hell shiny got that from... must be from the wikia as Fujino's eyes are never stated to be Rainbow Class, I don't even think Medusa's Cybele is Rainbow Rank either(I remember that Ophelia's Mystic Eye is Ranked Jewel).
Yes. The eyes of a jellyfish are officially recorded as "Jewel". What did you want to tell me with this?
It not having a current classification doesn't mean it must equal Rainbow Class, shiny, that's an SB-tier level observation my dude.
Just like the rationale that the Eyes of Death Perception are superior to the Eyes of Distortion because they are “Rainbow”, despite the fact that the latter were never given a classification. Both of our arguments are on the same level.
Ophelia's Mystic Eye is a step removed from Musashi's Empyrean Eye and her shit is still just Jewel and it's pretty evident Musashi's wouldn't be any different.
Fujino's Mystic Eyes have alot of issues and handicaps that are only changed because she gained a ridiculous Clairvoyance giving them a boost they would never have otherwise. They wouldn't be Rainbow Ranked unless Nasu has explicitly stated they are and considering he has never stated so(Nor has Fujino's creator stated it either...)
And what are the issues and handicaps?

Can you be more specific?

I can ask you the same thing .

How do you figure that they're as good as MEODP if they have no classification then ?
Hm. That is, all your arguments began and ended with the fact that “Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are Rainbow Rank and Eyes of Distortion are not.”

You know, I can do the same.

In FGO, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception only have an A rank. While Eyes of Distortion has EX.

And how do I understand now this is proof that the Eyes of Distortion are of a higher rank than the Eyes of Death Perception?
You pulled that straight from your lying ass.
Wow. As expected of you.
All you're saying is that they're rare, which they are.
Not just rare. They are described in the same way as the Eyes of Death Perception.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception: A
Among the many superpowers designated as mystic eyes, this is one of the highest grade.
A superpower among superpowers, a rare item among rare items.
Regardless of being organic or inorganic, it reads into the primary factor of death in "living**" things and visualizes it as a phenomenon that can be interfered with.

I understand that now the Eyes of Death Perception are also simply rare?
Does that mean that everything rare is automatically powerful ? Does that also mean that it's automatically as strong as the MEODP ?

If yes ,based on what ?

No. No. I won't go back to this now. But now answer me both. If the Eyes of Death Perception are A rank, and the Eyes of Distortion are EX, then now the Eyes of Distortion are more powerful than the Eyes of Death Perception?
 
MEODP straight up adapted and “killed” the rotations of the eyes of distortion.

You have to be smoking actual crack if you think the two are remotely on the same level, even classification wise
Not specifically the Eyes of Death Perception. But Shiki Ryogi. In the end, she was up against a girl who not only didn’t understand anything about magic, but didn’t even really understand her own powers.

In your comment, you confused such a thing as the rank of an ability and the skills of the owner himself. Will Tono, for example, be able to do the same?
 
Also you’re lying out of your ass because the eyes of distortion Fujino has are leagues above the regular distortion eyes . Hers are described as eyes that were tampered with by human hands (araya awakening her origin) which pushed her eyes to a new level of power. Regular distortion users need weeks of concentration just to bend a human arm, almost as if an EX classification doesn’t mean it’s strictly stronger, just “cannot be measured with a regular scale”
 
Yes. The eyes of a jellyfish are officially recorded as "Jewel". What did you want to tell me with this?

The fact that Fujino's weaker Eyes are obviously not Rainbow Ranked because of the fact they are not given a Rank...

Just like the rationale that the Eyes of Death Perception are superior to the Eyes of Distortion because they are “Rainbow”, despite the fact that the latter were never given a classification. Both of our arguments are on the same level.

How are both on the same level again? Again, I just gave you a great example of Ophelia's Mystic Eye that as a byproduct of being able to see into the myriad of possibilities, can literally tag certain Events in place so they don't happen... is just at Jewel...
Why in the blue fuck would Fujino's Eyes of Distortion be a Rainbow when Ophelia's Mystic Eye that is as busted as Musashi's Empyrean Eye is JUST jewel?

And what are the issues and handicaps?

Can you be more specific?

The fact like Vespa stated, Fujino's Eyes was explicitly tampered with to be even more powerful than the typical Distortion effect would be and that's BEFORE we get to her being far less limited with her scope in gaining Clairvoyance after she became blind? Those types of issues?

Not specifically the Eyes of Death Perception. But Shiki Ryogi. In the end, she was up against a girl who not only didn’t understand anything about magic, but didn’t even really understand her own powers.

In your comment, you confused such a thing as the rank of an ability and the skills of the owner himself. Will Tono, for example, be able to do the same?

Fujino not being able to understand her powers means dick in being able to use them. Musashi didn't even understand the depths of her Empyrean Eye till a good bit into Shimousa, that didn't stop her worth shit.
Hell, Shiki Tohno himself doesn't understand his Death Perception(and never will unless he wants to die on the spot) and yet, he's still a monster among monsters due to his usage of it and his Demon Killing Training.
 
Hm. That is, all your arguments began and ended with the fact that “Mystic Eyes of Death Perception are Rainbow Rank and Eyes of Distortion are not.”
A factual argument, which you haven't refuted.

You know, I can do the same.
You are.

In FGO, the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception only have an A rank. While Eyes of Distortion has EX.
No, the skills corresponding to those abilities have these ranks, not the abilities themselves.

And it's explained why in Shiki's case. In her Assasin version, she compromises its usage and in her Saber form which has C rank, she doesn't need them so they are de ranked.
Not just rare. They are described in the same way as the Eyes of Death Perception.
They're described in the same way, but they're not described as having the same ammount of power or being in the same class.

There's a big difference.

No. No. I won't go back to this now. But now answer me both. If the Eyes of Death Perception are A rank, and the Eyes of Distortion are EX, then now the Eyes of Distortion are more powerful than the Eyes of Death Perception?
Yes, because the eyes themselves =/ the skill that a Servant uses .
 
Tohnos fucking dot stabs got powered up in the remake. He literally stabbed roas dot, he regenerated and then died on the spot again with shiki firing off a nanaya tier roast after. He’d be able to replicate ryogis feat just fine
 
Tohnos fucking dot stabs got powered up in the remake. He literally stabbed roas dot, he regenerated and then died on the spot again with shiki firing off a nanaya tier roast after. He’d be able to replicate ryogis feat just fine

Seriously going to have to go and read this remake because I've really been putting off reading everything about it but the main brass tacks of the Ciel Route...
 
@shiny i'm still waiting for your evidence that Distortion is= Death Perception.

So far, you have said that they're described in the same way , which doesn't' say anything and you also said that the FGO skill rank of Distortion is EX which is stronger than Death Perception's A which i've debunked , but even if i didn't, it contradicts your original statement which said that they're equal, not that one is stronger than the other .
 
The fact that Fujino's weaker Eyes are obviously not Rainbow Ranked because of the fact they are not given a Rank...
And how does this prove anything?

With exactly the same probability, the Eyes of Fujino are equal in power to the Eyes of Death Perception, because no one simply bothered to put them in any rank.
How are both on the same level again? Again, I just gave you a great example of Ophelia's Mystic Eye that as a byproduct of being able to see into the myriad of possibilities, can literally tag certain Events in place so they don't happen... is just at Jewel...
Why in the blue fuck would Fujino's Eyes of Distortion be a Rainbow when Ophelia's Mystic Eye that is as busted as Musashi's Empyrean Eye is JUST jewel?
Why then Rainbow Grade Death Perception Eyes? In fact, their abilities are not very different: Eyes of Death - Kill, Eyes of Distortion - Distort.
The fact like Vespa stated, Fujino's Eyes was explicitly tampered with to be even more powerful than the typical Distortion effect would be and that's BEFORE we get to her being far less limited with her scope in gaining Clairvoyance after she became blind? Those types of issues?
OK. They Evolved. What's next? The final result is the same. Now her Eyes are in the same rank as the Eyes of Death Perception.

And she became blind not because of the Eyes, but because of Clairvoyance.
Fujino not being able to understand her powers means dick in being able to use them. Musashi didn't even understand the depths of her Empyrean Eye till a good bit into Shimousa, that didn't stop her worth shit.
Musashi is still a Master Swordsman Hero who more or less understands the supernatural.

Fujino was actually an ordinary student who had discovered the ability a week before.

Good comparison.
Hell, Shiki Tohno himself doesn't understand his Death Perception(and never will unless he wants to die on the spot) and yet, he's still a monster among monsters due to his usage of it and his Demon Killing Training.
The same as the past. Only this time Tohno Shiki. A man who awakened his Eyes as a child and already had at least some experience by the beginning of the canon. At the same time, being a descendant of a clan of demon slayers who had various trainings and who, again, at least came into contact with the supernatural.

The problem is that you are still comparing an ordinary schoolgirl whose abilities manifested themselves a maximum of a week before the battle with Ryogi, who also lacked any understanding of the supernatural.

What do I see, you decided not to touch upon the ranks.
A factual argument, which you haven't refuted.

I already answered. Asagami's eyes have never been classified, which is why this argument doesn't work.

@shiny i'm still waiting for your evidence that Distortion is= Death Perception.

So far, you have said that they're described in the same way , which doesn't' say anything and you also said that the FGO skill rank of Distortion is EX which is stronger than Death Perception's A which i've debunked , but even if i didn't, it contradicts your original statement which said that they're equal, not that one is stronger than the other .

The obvious fact is that they are compared in FGO and the similarity of their abilities.

Do you have any evidence other than rank? The Eyes of Distortion have no rank, although according to hints, like the Eyes of Death Perception, it is an offshoot of divine power. It is worth noting that the description is "A superpower among superpowers, a rare article among rare articles." present only in these two Eyes.

By the way, for reference: Asagami Fujino, according to canon, was never able to unleash the full power of her eyes. Since she lacks knowledge about the supernatural and, accordingly, understanding.
 
I already answered. Asagami's eyes have never been classified, which is why this argument doesn't work.
No you haven't .

The obvious fact is that they are compared in FGO
They aren't though sans in DC .

and the similarity of their abilities
They aren't similar at all.

The only similarity is that they are both Mytic Eyes. That's about it.

You yourself have made the distinction earlier.

Do you have any evidence other than rank?
I do .


But i don't need to present anything else, because the burden of proof isn't on me.

It's on you since you made the claim that they're equal and you need to prove it.

The Eyes of Distortion have no rank
But that's not evidence for your claim so you're shooting yourself in the foot here.

although according to hints, like the Eyes of Death Perception, it is an offshoot of divine power
Again, this is vague bullshit.

There are different tiers of divine power out there.

At least MEODP are attributed to Divine Spirits but again, tiers to that.

Distortion is ???? on all accounts.
It is worth noting that the description is "A superpower among superpowers, a rare article among rare articles." present only in these two Eyes.
Yeah, they're both rare and super powerful .

You're keep dancing around the question.

Why are they equal ?
By the way, for reference: Asagami Fujino, according to canon, was never able to unleash the full power of her eyes. Since she lacks knowledge about the supernatural and, accordingly, understanding.

This also doesn't help your argument since :

A. We don't know the ceiling for the ability since only Fujino uses it, so we're stuck with what is shown unless you wanna go into NLF mode.
B. We see MEODP users evolving their abilities so it's not like that shit is set in place either.
 
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