Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Welsh_Dragon]

Everyone else is weaker than Gabriel(even rimuru), and the other archangels should be equal to Gabriel.

Umm…about this. How well can she tank A big-bang? Because Rimuru has tanked one in story and another one in after-story. And unless you have a good time haxx, fighting him a bad idea. As well as the fact that Killing him requires a lot of effort, even more to make sure he starts dead. Aiwass? Sure-he one shots. But Just Gabriel? Nah-ah.

>Also, Slime Tensei doesn’t feature in Isekai Quarter.


Also, why is Nasuverse below Honkaiverse when one has an entire universe as an enemy while other’s top tier reaches multi-galaxy?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

What up with this "TRUE TIME STOP" shit that keeps cropping up.

Sorry to take awhile to respond but the reason SB uses the "True Time Stop" nonsense is because they believe that Magecraft usage of Time Stop isn't a "True Time Stop" in comparison to Authority based Time Stop and thus, the Nasuverse Mages nor Servants have any ability to deal with Time Stop of any kind... the problem with this logic is simple:

Magecraft in any other series is JUST Magic(Magic that basically recreates actual phenomena but it's no real difference)
Authorities is the equivalent of basically what you rule over(Meaning Nyarlothetop having an Authority over Time just allows him to bypass all resistance) or if you want to be more real, it's closer to say DIO using Time Stop.
True Magic is basically the equivalent of having control of a Universal Concept(Like being able to fuck around with Parallel Universes).
So SB tends to do this only to fuck over Servants by pretending they can't do shit to Ainz because any actual Magician from a different series use of Time Stop is on the level of an Authority because... when Ainz would get bulldozed by anyone and everyone because Time Stop is something anyone can do it as is and Servants will just no sell it if they have decent Magic Resistance.

TL;DR SB is stupid because they can't understand that Magecraft is just Magic in any other series and Nasuverse Mages can do Time Stops just fine. So SB pretends that any other series use of Time Stops are unequivocally equal to an Authority to pretend they are somehow more special when they aren't, from Ainz's to Esdeath's to anyone else's that's not like say DIO where it makes actual sense.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Bro, I thought SB can say some really stupid shit... I guess it makes sense their parent is even more stupid than the child...

Who is SB’s parent?

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

> deku > sub planet level unicron, the numbers aint lying

…What????

 

[Paxton]

Umm…about this. How well can she tank A big-bang? Because Rimuru has tanked one in story and another one in after-story. And unless you have a good time haxx, fighting him a bad idea. As well as the fact that Killing him requires a lot of effort, even more to make sure he starts dead. Aiwass? Sure-he one shots. But Just Gabriel? Nah-ah.

>Also, Slime Tensei doesn’t feature in Isekai Quarter.


Also, why is Nasuverse below Honkaiverse when one has an entire universe as an enemy while other’s top tier reaches multi-galaxy?

Honestly, a Big Bang to the face might not even kill an Archangel (or at least not permanently), since they can just reform after complete physical destruction since their "bodies" are basically just avatars/masses of energy of their actual selves located in the Phase of Heaven.

It should be noted that we've never actually seen a full power Archangel manifest in the story, or any Phase being for that matter.


That's all I've got to say on the matter

 

[Proto234]

Who is SB’s parent?

He's talking about SV.
Which is used to be part of SB before they splitting up due to internal political issue

 

[Masterblack06]

it still doesnt change the fact, that transformed lille vs iz is a closer fight than u think it is

iz has time rewind and time slow, yet, lille is intangible and just as his body passes through all things, his shots also pass through all things, bypass dura to a certain degree, obv, its hax ability which allows him to contend with chars above his weight class

My entire point wasn't who is stronger its more "how are they gonna kill this nigga"

Lille would probably have to go the dome off rip

Sorry to take awhile to respond but the reason SB uses the "True Time Stop" nonsense is because they believe that Magecraft usage of Time Stop isn't a "True Time Stop" in comparison to Authority based Time Stop and thus, the Nasuverse Mages nor Servants have any ability to deal with Time Stop of any kind... the problem with this logic is simple:

Magecraft in any other series is JUST Magic(Magic that basically recreates actual phenomena but it's no real difference)
Authorities is the equivalent of basically what you rule over(Meaning Nyarlothetop having an Authority over Time just allows him to bypass all resistance) or if you want to be more real, it's closer to say DIO using Time Stop.
True Magic is basically the equivalent of having control of a Universal Concept(Like being able to fuck around with Parallel Universes).
So SB tends to do this only to fuck over Servants by pretending they can't do shit to Ainz because any actual Magician from a different series use of Time Stop is on the level of an Authority because... when Ainz would get bulldozed by anyone and everyone because Time Stop is something anyone can do it as is and Servants will just no sell it if they have decent Magic Resistance.

TL;DR SB is stupid because they can't understand that Magecraft is just Magic in any other series and Nasuverse Mages can do Time Stops just fine. So SB pretends that any other series use of Time Stops are unequivocally equal to an Authority to pretend they are somehow more special when they aren't, from Ainz's to Esdeath's to anyone else's that's not like say DIO where it makes actual sense.

Time Stop is Time Stop though, the only thing that matters is how it's done and if you can resist it. Sb needs to stop trying to pseudo science shit

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Time Stop is Time Stop though, the only thing that matters is how it's done and if you can resist it. Sb needs to stop trying to pseudo science shit

Exactly. It's why it gets annoying as hell seeing SB lying their asses off about something that was blatant less than 20 years ago(as they love swearing by F/SN and F/Z feats to downplay the series if they can't get anything from the latest works) to give Ainz undeserved victories(When the motherfucker is literally too slow to do shit).

One of the most ridiculous parts of this? Merlin literally does a Time Reversal sort of trick in a set area to go back 2 hours and it only kills his Servant self due to the magnitude of holding onto that spell for so long, not the actual use of it. So it doesn't even work to pretend they can't do it... when they literally did a roundabout version recently and it was told to us pointblank.

 

[Masterblack06]

@OtherGalaxy
Oh Shit

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/darth-vader-vs-toa-tahu-nuva-bionicle.1104043/

 

[Stocking Anarchy]

idk why SB has such a hard time with Elder Scrolls shit

They're assblasted. That's really all there is to it.

 

[Adamant soul]

TYBW Renji vs. Quilge Opie

Quilge has absorbed Ayon. Who wins?

www.fanverse.org

People think RG Renji stomps the guy who could take Fullbring Bankai Ichigo's onslaught, who even Urahara had to catch him off guard to deal a fatal wound.

Renji bodies

Full powered Mask should be head and shoulders above VS Quigle who was only marginally more powerful than Shikai Ichigo.

> Tanked a Getsuga to the neck like it was nothing.
> Only marginally more powerful.

Also for this to be true you have to assume Vaizard Captains > Fullbring Shikai Ichigo which is shaky to say the least.

Mask’s VS should give a bigger power up than the Ayon absorption.

On what grounds?

Renji stomped Mask.

But was matched by Bazz.

Easy logic. Renji also claps Quigle

That doesn't add up at all actually because Mask's feats aren't actually more impressive than Quilge's.

Mismatch. Renji blitzes and one shots.

Fullbring BANKAI ichigo couldn't blitz OR one-shot Quilge but somehow RENJI'S going to do it.

You know just like he blitzed and one-shotted Bazz, oh wait?

 

[Proto234]

Exactly. It's why it gets annoying as hell seeing SB lying their asses off about something that was blatant less than 20 years ago(as they love swearing by F/SN and F/Z feats to downplay the series if they can't get anything from the latest works) to give Ainz undeserved victories(When the motherfucker is literally too slow to do shit).

One of the most ridiculous parts of this? Merlin literally does a Time Reversal sort of trick in a set area to go back 2 hours and it only kills his Servant self due to the magnitude of holding onto that spell for so long, not the actual use of it. So it doesn't even work to pretend they can't do it... when they literally did a roundabout version recently and it was told to us pointblank.

Well, they did claim that apparation from HP is true magic equivalent since no magecraft can do that, despite the existence of this

Displacement Magecraft

Displacement (置換, Chikan?) Magecraft, also called Flash Air (フラッシュ・エア, Furasshu Ea?), is a practice of substituting something with something else. Derived from Alchemy, the system has a fundamental rule that the replacement will always suffer from degradation, thought of as basic and low-level...

typemoon.fandom.com

Admitedly, TM subreddit also says the same (old thread though), so can't blame them

 

[Atem]

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/nathaniel-cade-vs-kenshiro-fotns-yujro-hanma-hayato-furinji-hsdk.57147/?post=28561912#post-28561912

Holy fucking cow, this is an incredible load of horse shit from Fractalman and Ford Prefect. Ford Prefect literally asked me to bother the author in the first place, and that "other person" who brought up context drew it entirely from excerpts I provided in the first place. Then they also proceeded to bother the author about it too. Which they took out of context, and then in a sampling bias, ignored all the WOG that contradicted their bullshit. That WOG that Morgan Blackhand provided was from years ago, and he didn't even grab anything new. It was the same stuff I pointed out back then. Which they developed a case of selective blindness for.

 

[Atem]

My favorite part is that Morgan Blackhand didn't even argue in favor of Nathaniel Cade being a continent buster. They are still tearing their hair out about that so badly over that they are seeing that argument everywhere.

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

Umm…about this. How well can she tank A big-bang? Because Rimuru has tanked one in story and another one in after-story. And unless you have a good time haxx, fighting him a bad idea. As well as the fact that Killing him requires a lot of effort, even more to make sure he starts dead. Aiwass? Sure-he one shots. But Just Gabriel? Nah-ah.

>Also, Slime Tensei doesn’t feature in Isekai Quarter.


Also, why is Nasuverse below Honkaiverse when one has an entire universe as an enemy while other’s top tier reaches multi-galaxy?

And regarding the big-bang fear, yes I can back it up without using that last chapter feat which many either weak it to high heaven or under ball it to the extreme.


>Also, sorry for not being active. College has started and ragging is at peak. It’s been like a week or so since things have calmed down. But I still won’t be active for like 2 to 3 months. First CAT exams are in two month but since I’d really don’t get much in classes, I have to put extra in Room so….

 

[Masterblack06]

Bruno (Pokémon)

Bruno (シバ Siba) is a Fighting-type Trainer and member of the Elite Four of Kanto and Johto. Tier: 9-A | At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A | At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A Key: By Himself | Pokèmon Team (Gen 1) | Pokèmon Team (Gen 2) Name: Bruno Origin: Pokémon Gender: Male | Male for his Pokémon...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is the greatest thing ive seen in a long time

 

[OtherGalaxy]

@OtherGalaxy
Oh Shit

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/darth-vader-vs-toa-tahu-nuva-bionicle.1104043/

tahu actually could have more DC, but he’s slower and will definitely lose the mindfuck/soulfuck game. Random ass matchup

 

[OtherGalaxy]

oh wait it’s disney canon Tahu should one shot then

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Well, they did claim that apparation from HP is true magic equivalent since no magecraft can do that, despite the existence of this

Displacement Magecraft

Displacement (置換, Chikan?) Magecraft, also called Flash Air (フラッシュ・エア, Furasshu Ea?), is a practice of substituting something with something else. Derived from Alchemy, the system has a fundamental rule that the replacement will always suffer from degradation, thought of as basic and low-level...

typemoon.fandom.com

Admitedly, TM subreddit also says the same (old thread though), so can't blame them

Reddit is genuinely stupid when it comes to most questions from the Nasuverse so to honestly try and use them for anything is just LOL. Like as much as they wank it, VSBW actually tend to have actual proof and do know what they are talking about as much as we do. Hell, even the Death Battle Nasuverse Sub Discord is somewhere to go as well.
And again, Substitution/Displacement Magecraft was always linked to be broken as hell since Prisma Illya to the point it's use in FGO is a massive reason why shit went tits up so hard in Part 2.

 

[BetterMaulSmacker]

Can somebody please tell God of war fans that covering your face, or ducking and rolling faster than someone can shine a light into your eyes doesn't prove that you're faster than light?
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...of-war-vs-team-horus-warhammer-40k-w-2306869/

Especially when the light attack is telegraphed and requires a full second to fully charge and use.




Also acting like Hermes "dodging helios' lights" is a canonical feat that is unique to him as a testament to his speed and not just game-play is just dishonest. Especially when non-combatant NPC who can't even defend themselves against basic enemies can replicate this same feat the same way.