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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Hilariously enough, the same video I just added had another BS feat of Sephiroth's physical strength against a bunch of boosted Behemoths, completely causing a similar effect to Neo and Smith's attacks in the rain at their final battle but by himself.

Again, only with his CC self too.
 

"... If Sephiroth can destroy a single planet, let alone a solar system, entirely and exclusively on his own power. Why did he want the Black Materia?

Supernova has, and (probably but not certainly given Final Fantasy Powercreep) will remain an illusion."

Here's a crazy idea... because the Meteor summoned via the Black Materia is actually strong enough to injure the Lifestream, while everything else he's capable of under his own power is not?

Also, sheer incredulity does not actually prove your assertation that it's an illusion.

You need actual evidence that it is an illusion, rather than a summon taking place in an alternate dimension, which is the far more likely explanation (and also outright stated somewhere, but I don't remember where).


Like, think about this shit for a second and you'd realize how stupid it sounds:giogio
Sephiroths motives was to become a god, not to destroy the planet.

1. Use Meteor to damage the Planet
2. Take advantage to absorb the Planets lifeforce
3. ????
4. Godhood
 
Never been called an illusion, have yet to find a single source that does

Have found several referencing what it literally accomplishes on screen though, so that's neat

The Life Stream is basically the Root and the Counter Force from Nasu, just even less well explained and needs a few inferences to cover the knowledge gap

That to say, destroying FFVII's planet isn't the same thing as destroying an actual planet. It can and will defend itself and harness power beyond the scale of its size.
 
Never been called an illusion, have yet to find a single source that does

Have found several referencing what it literally accomplishes on screen though, so that's neat

The Life Stream is basically the Root and the Counter Force from Nasu, just even less well explained and needs a few inferences to cover the knowledge gap

That to say, destroying FFVII's planet isn't the same thing as destroying an actual planet. It can and will defend itself and harness power beyond the scale of its size.
Kinda amusing that a lot of people still don’t address the 800 pound gorilla in the room that is Sephiroth being able to stop Holy

We were in the same position years ago but got over it lol
 
Kinda amusing that a lot of people still don’t address the 800 pound gorilla in the room that is Sephiroth being able to stop Holy

We were in the same position years ago but got over it lol

I legit don't understand that either considering Sephiroth was stopping Holy WHILE fighting Cloud and Co. the entire time which really makes me wonder what the hell people are on considering Holy is the opposite to Meteor but ultimately are on the same levels of power which really speaks volumes for it.
 
Kinda amusing that a lot of people still don’t address the 800 pound gorilla in the room that is Sephiroth being able to stop Holy
gfycat deadlink aside, I can wholesale make an entire respect thread for the characters providing all the context including the moments where the characters shit the bed and people will still not read the damn thing to know what they have to work with :maybe


Gotta get around to just replacing the dead links with google drive links, but that's more of a winter break problem if I even feel like it :hm
We were in the same position years ago but got over it lol
It all started with fucking around with clouds and just kind of moved on from there :maybe
 
Listen, I know you guys like Sables... but I swear, the dude needs to touch some grass as his Bleach knowledge is basically becoming way too muddied with the stupid takes that's been constantly happening...


And they'd shit-diff Ichigo all the same via the same means.

Can you prove that any Mid-Tier Sternritter would body Fullbring Bankai Ichigo if Kirinji couldn't? Like did people miss Kirinji's test and he explicitly AIMS TO KILL if you aren't healed enough to deal with it?

As a patient, where Kirinji was barehanded. Renji was able to take one of his hits and barely budge.

And Ichigo broke his fucking hand, what's the point here?

Can I know where Kirinji blitzed or one-shotted any of the Stern Ritter in the palace with his bare hands? Because that - and a comparison to Liltotto - is what you actually need in this thread for your comparison to be anything but a non-sequitur.

>Literally bodies Haschwalth with just his Shikai
>Can't body a Mid-Tier Sternritter with less
Is Sables retarded or is he trying that hard to make Litotto come off superior?

You guys are a riot. I didn't even bother giving my opinion until now because the anime already settled the matter, or rather it gave the only connecting point of information that anyone can use in this thread that doesn't rely on headcanon.

Yeah that Ichigo would break the fuck out of Litotto... what is your point?

Ichigo, after his most celebrated power-up in the manga, can't beat Yhwach because he's still in the realm of a shinigami Despite FB Bankai being called a fraction of his full power. Further Royal Realm training was necessary. This also hypes Yhwach further as someone who reached the levels Aizen was aspiring to pre-timeskip.

Cool, how the fuck does that matter for Littoto winning? Are you saying Littoto > Yhwach?

This is the Yhwach you chumps are arguing Ichigo scales to in any fucking capacity.

Considering Yhwach was trying to incapacitate him by any means necessary explicitly... yeah, Ichigo does scale to Yhwach if despite not being anywhere close to 100%, he was able to still stand against fucking YHWACH of all people despite him being serious against the boy speaks volumes.

No, we know he was holding back by Yhwach's own word. Ichibe affirms the difference by emphasizing the gulf between him and True Zanpakuto Ichigo, and it was to such a degree that no amount of regular training would bridge the gap.

>Taking fucking Ichibei at his word
Top Fucking Kek there considering it's heavily implied Ichibei was lying his ass off there and he was prepping Ichigo to become the new Soul King...

This brutalizes any headcanons of Yhwach using any real amount of power, and we know anyone can hold back enough regardless of their means.

>Yhwach didn't use any of his real power against Ichigo
>Debuted a whole ass new move exclusively against Ichigo as well as consistently tried to stab Ichigo in the throat to incapacitate him when he has effortlessly destroyed Ichigo's earlier opponent(Ebern) in one shot

Are we watching a different show?!

It's fucking funny because anyone with brains would apply this logic to the Bambibabes.

No it doesn't because none of them was a match for Ichigo then! He barely fucking TRIED against them(hell, he seen them as just nuisances)!

Did you circus clowns forget that Meninas was boxing with Ichigo and that Candice was equalling GT and offseting Juujisho to the point that she lost only an arm?



You fucking idiot, Meninas didn't do shit to Ichigo there and Candice didn't offset shit, her attack got wrecked and she nearly died from GJ from an Ichigo that BARELY TRIED.

Using your logic, Ichigo applying higher-level techniques and failing to get rid of them means the girls scale to him as much as FB Ichigo scales to Yhwach.

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Ah yes because who explicitly wasn't trying at all against the Bambiettes using a technique that's literally just 2 Getsuga Tenshous somehow constitute as being serious and would constitute as them being as strong as Yhwach for FB Ichigo...

This is some of the most ridiculous stretching I have ever seen from someone who is supposed to be smart.

Stupid. It's all headcanon. None of these are real feats because there is no way to quantify how much someone is holding back.

We literally see the difference between how serious Ichigo is taking a fight and we literally see him at his most powerful when he meets Soul King Yhwach... it's very apparent in the anime Ichigo did not give the slightest fuck at all towards them and was just screwing around.

In case you mongs still aren't getting it: FB Ichigo > Liltotto is a reasonable to take in the manga, but the anime nerfed the fuck out of him in season two.
No it did not, you fucking ignoramus! If anything, the Manga made it even more explicit that the Bambiettes would be nothing to FB Ichigo, wanna know how I know it? Bambietta herself is one of the Sternritter who completely lost track of Ichigo when he Sonido'd to Byakuya's location and completely lost track, someone who is explicitly the strongest in her group!

Based on the quincy's own central intelligence, Candice's Vollstandig not being able to kill Ichigo proves he's stronger. This is a non-opinionated statement that did not exist in the manga. It was deliberately added to the anime in a scene where Ichigo was showing off his progression and performance outstripped the manga, so don't even fucking pretend to dispute its relevance.

...I can't believe someone can take a scene out of context so hard...
The only scene I even know he's talking about is the scene where Ichigo was bodying them with his ELBOW and Litotto stated that True Shikai Ichigo is the strongest he's ever been according to their Daten. Candice saying fuck of all means NOTHING considering FB Bankai Ichigo was beating Quilge's ass despite his multiple amps and despite what you want to say, nothing states Quilge is weaker than the Femritter(Hell, where he is ALONE despite being a Sternritter and Yhwach even placing trust in him means the opposite).

It's something Kubo wanted to be there and the only piece of evidence that ties pre-RR Ichigo to the """"mid-ritters"""" and it indicates Vollstandig Candice would be a significant factor against him.

While I can't see the picture at all, I can guarantee he's taking Candice at her word and think that somehow means Word of Kubo is law when it doesn't... at all because at the end of the day:
What the Bambiettes did against Ichigo? Was no different from what Quilge did against him and the others in Heuco Muendo... it's funny how people miss that Quilge ALSO enhanced his Sklaveri with Ayon is no different than what we've seen in the Soul Society and Ichigo did not struggle against him in the slightest.

There is not one piece of evidence to the contrary that doesn't rely on greater/unproven assumptions, nitpicking, and conspiracy theories, as nothing else concretely tethers them together beyond the dumbass logic that your beliefs constitute the facts.

Learn some actual reading comprehension.
 
Never been called an illusion, have yet to find a single source that does

Have found several referencing what it literally accomplishes on screen though, so that's neat

The Life Stream is basically the Root and the Counter Force from Nasu, just even less well explained and needs a few inferences to cover the knowledge gap

That to say, destroying FFVII's planet isn't the same thing as destroying an actual planet. It can and will defend itself and harness power beyond the scale of its size.
I've used this philosophy for several other series since I've seen you mention it first.

The creators have had years, if not decades to confirm the low end that's so popular. So why do they always invariably state and show the exact opposite?
 
Listen, I know you guys like Sables... but I swear, the dude needs to touch some grass as his Bleach knowledge is basically becoming way too muddied with the stupid takes that's been constantly happening...




Can you prove that any Mid-Tier Sternritter would body Fullbring Bankai Ichigo if Kirinji couldn't? Like did people miss Kirinji's test and he explicitly AIMS TO KILL if you aren't healed enough to deal with it?



And Ichigo broke his fucking hand, what's the point here?



>Literally bodies Haschwalth with just his Shikai
>Can't body a Mid-Tier Sternritter with less
Is Sables retarded or is he trying that hard to make Litotto come off superior?



Yeah that Ichigo would break the fuck out of Litotto... what is your point?



Cool, how the fuck does that matter for Littoto winning? Are you saying Littoto > Yhwach?



Considering Yhwach was trying to incapacitate him by any means necessary explicitly... yeah, Ichigo does scale to Yhwach if despite not being anywhere close to 100%, he was able to still stand against fucking YHWACH of all people despite him being serious against the boy speaks volumes.



>Taking fucking Ichibei at his word
Top Fucking Kek there considering it's heavily implied Ichibei was lying his ass off there and he was prepping Ichigo to become the new Soul King...



>Yhwach didn't use any of his real power against Ichigo
>Debuted a whole ass new move exclusively against Ichigo as well as consistently tried to stab Ichigo in the throat to incapacitate him when he has effortlessly destroyed Ichigo's earlier opponent(Ebern) in one shot

Are we watching a different show?!



No it doesn't because none of them was a match for Ichigo then! He barely fucking TRIED against them(hell, he seen them as just nuisances)!





You fucking idiot, Meninas didn't do shit to Ichigo there and Candice didn't offset shit, her attack got wrecked and she nearly died from GJ from an Ichigo that BARELY TRIED.



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Ah yes because who explicitly wasn't trying at all against the Bambiettes using a technique that's literally just 2 Getsuga Tenshous somehow constitute as being serious and would constitute as them being as strong as Yhwach for FB Ichigo...

This is some of the most ridiculous stretching I have ever seen from someone who is supposed to be smart.



We literally see the difference between how serious Ichigo is taking a fight and we literally see him at his most powerful when he meets Soul King Yhwach... it's very apparent in the anime Ichigo did not give the slightest fuck at all towards them and was just screwing around.


No it did not, you fucking ignoramus! If anything, the Manga made it even more explicit that the Bambiettes would be nothing to FB Ichigo, wanna know how I know it? Bambietta herself is one of the Sternritter who completely lost track of Ichigo when he Sonido'd to Byakuya's location and completely lost track, someone who is explicitly the strongest in her group!



...I can't believe someone can take a scene out of context so hard...
The only scene I even know he's talking about is the scene where Ichigo was bodying them with his ELBOW and Litotto stated that True Shikai Ichigo is the strongest he's ever been according to their Daten. Candice saying fuck of all means NOTHING considering FB Bankai Ichigo was beating Quilge's ass despite his multiple amps and despite what you want to say, nothing states Quilge is weaker than the Femritter(Hell, where he is ALONE despite being a Sternritter and Yhwach even placing trust in him means the opposite).



While I can't see the picture at all, I can guarantee he's taking Candice at her word and think that somehow means Word of Kubo is law when it doesn't... at all because at the end of the day:
What the Bambiettes did against Ichigo? Was no different from what Quilge did against him and the others in Heuco Muendo... it's funny how people miss that Quilge ALSO enhanced his Sklaveri with Ayon is no different than what we've seen in the Soul Society and Ichigo did not struggle against him in the slightest.



Learn some actual reading comprehension.

Like the fucking leaps in logic he makes, while acting like they should be painfully obvious or are irrefutable is fucking absurd.

"Oh Ichibei said there's no way Ichigo could beat Mustache at that point."

Well yeah, no one ever said he could beat him, only that he blatantly hurt him with a Getsuga (which he did), forced him to put more effort into his attacks in order to break his Blut (which he did) and even made him bust out a new move altogether. Mustache himself acknowledges that he had to use more power to break Ichigo's Blut, this is impressive regardless of how much weaker he still was than Mustache at the time.

By contrast the Fem-Nazis literally achieved fucking nothing against an Ichigo who was bored out of his fucking mind and at no point in the exchange, ever needed to put forth any actual effort to deal with them.

Though at least he's not MonkeyBananas level of stupid where he thinks pointing out that Chojirou stabbed Mustache somehow refutes Mustache getting hurt as an actual feat. :kobeha

"The girls said he's way stronger than the Daten indicated, that means they'd be able to beat his previous version."

Like NO, no it fucking doesn't. Not in ANY realm of reality that exists. All that proves is that EoS Shikai Ichigo is stronger than any previous version of him. It doesn't prove the Fem Nazis would have beaten Fullbring Bankai Ichigo, they don't have ANY feats on his level. This statement ISN'T a comparison between the girls and him, it's between Ichigo's earlier version and his current one.

Another powerful Nazi in Quilge, actively amplified after absorbing Allon, literally couldn't do ANYTHING against Fullbring Bankai Ichigo until he caught him completely off guard with The Jail but sure, the Fem Nazis are gonna be able to do shit. :heston
 
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Guys guys, two really good question today!!!!!!

One about Quilge and Ransotengai and the other about Gin Bankai!!!!
So, when asked if Gin’s Bankai would be affected by him leaving behind a piece of the blade as part of the poison mechanic and whether that would mean that his Bankai would eventually cease to be, Kubo said that the piece he leaves behind in his opponent’s body is but a “secretion” of the blade’s poison, so after a while it regenerates.

Regarding Quilge, the person asked why he was the only one to use Ransotengai and if that’s an expression of Quilge’s talent and style, meaning that the others haven’t mastered it. Kubo answered that affirmatively, adding that Quilge is actually the “Combat Instructor” of the Sternritters and that students of his can be found among current troops.
Welp not that it was ever NOT a retarded thing to claim but the idea of Quilge being an "average Nazi" just went completely up in fucking smoke. :heston

So not only does Kubo acknowledge that his using RansoTengai emphasizes his skill, not only is he literally the "combat instructor" for the Sternritter with several of them being his students, not only was he trusted to keep Ichigo at bay so much so that Mustache was willing to launch the invasion but he ALSO shits on most of them in terms of feats. :maybe

I'm not sure why anyone asked about the Gin Bankai thing, I thought it was pretty fucking obvious that his blade regenerates, otherwise he would break his Bankai the first time he actually uses it to kill something, which would just be dumb.
 
Never been called an illusion, have yet to find a single source that does

Have found several referencing what it literally accomplishes on screen though, so that's neat

The Life Stream is basically the Root and the Counter Force from Nasu, just even less well explained and needs a few inferences to cover the knowledge gap

That to say, destroying FFVII's planet isn't the same thing as destroying an actual planet. It can and will defend itself and harness power beyond the scale of its size.
Dissidia using it as his EX break makes it even more hilarious because he doesn't even use a fucking meteor to cause the Nova. He uses it like KOTR where he brings you in side the "LB/High End Summon Dimension" and causes the explosion with a fucking sword swipe :skully

Same Sword wave that even in CC was just capable of fucking up the Junon Mako cannon


 
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Welp not that it was ever NOT a retarded thing to claim but the idea of Quilge being an "average Nazi" just went completely up in fucking smoke. :heston

So not only does Kubo acknowledge that his using RansoTengai emphasizes his skill, not only is he literally the "combat instructor" for the Sternritter with several of them being his students, not only was he trusted to keep Ichigo at bay so much so that Mustache was willing to launch the invasion but he ALSO shits on most of them in terms of feats. :maybe

I'm not sure why anyone asked about the Gin Bankai thing, I thought it was pretty fucking obvious that his blade regenerates, otherwise he would break his Bankai the first time he actually uses it to kill something, which would just be dumb.

We fucking called that shit years ago, I have no idea why people thought Quilge was weak shit when he was literally the only Sternritter in Heuco Muendo! Wouldn't that account for, oh I don't know, EVERYTHING?! Like common sense should not be this hard but apparently, it really is an impossible concept to grasp for most people...
So again, it just proves that Fullbring Bankai Ichigo was absolutely stronger than any Mid-Tier Sternritter and would only lose to the Schutzstaffel... which isn't a bad place to be at compared to everyone else before his True Powers was awakened.

EDIT: It also proves EXACTLY what we talked about with the Tres Bestia, Ayon, Harribel and Grimmjow gaining massive buffs during the timeskip... and most of them don't even know it either LMFAO :heston
 
We fucking called that shit years ago, I have no idea why people thought Quilge was weak shit when he was literally the only Sternritter in Heuco Muendo! Wouldn't that account for, oh I don't know, EVERYTHING?! Like common sense should not be this hard but apparently, it really is an impossible concept to grasp for most people...
It stems largely from other Nazis now using Sklaverei on top of Vollstanding.

Apparently these people were under the impression that was the ONLY thing that separated Quilge from the other Nazis, which is ludicrous considering his feats exceed any non-Elite except for Royd and Gremmy with only Bazz and Robert otherwise coming close.

The others using Sklaverei doesn't suddenly mean Quilge is now fodder or average. Yet you have people seeing this and saying "we should scrutinize Kubo's answers more since he seems to make it up as he goes" despite the fact there's nothing in this response that contradicts anything.

People are just really desperate to treat Liltotto and the Fem-Nazis like they're actually relevant. :kobeha
So again, it just proves that Fullbring Bankai Ichigo was absolutely stronger than any Mid-Tier Sternritter and would only lose to the Schutzstaffel... which isn't a bad place to be at compared to everyone else before his True Powers was awakened.
Yep pretty much it's:
  • Fullbring Bankai Ichigo (sans Quincy powers) only loses to Royd and Gremmy (possibly only Royd) and even that wouldn't be easy.
  • Fullbring Bankai Ichigo with Quincy powers murks anyone who isn't an Elite.
EDIT: It also proves EXACTLY what we talked about with the Tres Bestia, Ayon, Harribel and Grimmjow gaining massive buffs during the timeskip... and most of them don't even know it either LMFAO :heston
"bu.bu..but the novel." :heston

I don't anything short of straight up showing Grimmjow actually fight Ichigo or someone else for a bit is going to get these idiots to admit that this is obviously a thing, even thought the anime has already made it more blatant with shit like Harribel outright surviving at least one attack from Mustache himself. :maybe
 
It stems largely from other Nazis now using Sklaverei on top of Vollstanding.

Apparently these people were under the impression that was the ONLY thing that separated Quilge from the other Nazis, which is ludicrous considering his feats exceed any non-Elite except for Royd and Gremmy with only Bazz and Robert otherwise coming close.

It's been obvious that the FV Bleach section was desperate as shit... but this is just sad at this point...
Sklaveri usage should not at all be the only thing that matters considering he's the only Sternritter that used Rashotengai(Which Mayuri even stated he has never seen throughout any of his live experiments) and the fact that he's the only Sternritter in Heuco Muendo which Yhwach was planning on keeping for easy Arrancar Quincies to be made and used as fodder soldiers...

The others using Sklaverei doesn't suddenly mean Quilge is now fodder or average. Yet you have people seeing this and saying "we should scrutinize Kubo's answers more since he seems to make it up as he goes" despite the fact there's nothing in this response that contradicts anything.

People are just really desperate to treat Liltotto and the Fem-Nazis like they're actually relevant. :kobeha

That's really stupid considering it makes zero sense that Gin's Bankai cannot self-repair itself considering it's literally just fucking DUST! This is dumber since we have precedent that there is selective people in that while like Komamura or Mayuri who just changes his shit up entirely...
What's even dumber about them trying to force the Bambiettes to be stronger than they are... is that they completely miss the fact that Kubo just likes them and wants them to get more screentime. He didn't have them fight Ichigo because "OMG, You see how strong they are now guys?!" It's literally "They are my favorite group of the Sternritter, let them just basically show what they can do".

Yep pretty much it's:
  • Fullbring Bankai Ichigo (sans Quincy powers) only loses to Royd and Gremmy (possibly only Royd) and even that wouldn't be easy.
  • Fullbring Bankai Ichigo with Quincy powers murks anyone who isn't an Elite.

Basically lol.

"bu.bu..but the novel." :heston

I don't anything short of straight up showing Grimmjow actually fight Ichigo or someone else for a bit is going to get these idiots to admit that this is obviously a thing, even thought the anime has already made it more blatant with shit like Harribel outright surviving at least one attack from Mustache himself. :maybe

Wait till that 3rd Cour where we get Ichigo turning serious against Grimmjow... which no one else in the Sternritter was able to make him do right? :hestonpls

But seriously, that Novel is trash powerlevel wise and it's still insane to me people think it matters at that front when it's a mess of contradictions that make zero sense at all(The remaining Espada are treated as being weaker than Barragan... despite the fact that it literally doesn't work with what the manga and anime has shown us and that's only the tip of the iceberg). But that's to be expected of these morons.
 
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