Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Masterblack06]

@Astaro @Paxton

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mugino-vs-touma-toaru.1128833/

Bruh someone actually made a thread about that discord screen shot you posted

 

[Astaro]

I mean, the only thing Touma has to worrry about is that Mugino can throw hands better than the average person he’s fought

She’s got feats like neck lifting a grown man with one arm, sending Hamazura flying with a punch, knocking out a tiger with one palm strike, etc.

 

[Paxton]

@Astaro @Paxton

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mugino-vs-touma-toaru.1128833/

Bruh someone actually made a thread about that discord screen shot you posted

@Churronzon Keep cooking.

 

[Paxton]

I mean, the only thing Touma has to worrry about is that Mugino can throw hands better than the average person he’s fought

She’s got feats like neck lifting a grown man with one arm, sending Hamazura flying with a punch, knocking out a tiger with one palm strike, etc.

Eh.....

Touma > Misaka > Mugino


it's that simple

 

[Proto234]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/minamoto-no-raikou-fate-grand-order-vs-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen.1128422/page-4?post=96920243#post-96920243

Freaking Kreimhield for example is flat out called out as being 2 times stronger and faster than her Husband Siegfried when supplied by 2 grails, but Siegfried can still compete with her because unlike him she is not a proper swordsman, so her only real way of even hopping to fight him is overwhelm him so much with raw stats that his overwhelming technique counterbalance the matchup

Yeah, there is mistake in this, since it is shown Kriemhild has no chance at all despite backed by 2 grails and her own Balmung.
This video (minute 5) shows that Siegfried is holding back against her and when he got serious, she gets trounced.

 

[shiny]

What is what ?

What you posted ?

A description .

Description. And?

It isn't really , someone else just mentioned that Medusa's eyes have a similar description. Not word for word, but similar.

Yeah. More precisely, one line. And only if translated into English.

Here is a line from the description of Medusa: 最高レベルの魔眼・キュベレイを所有
Here is a line from the description of the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: 魔眼と呼称される異能の中でも最上級のもの。

But this is found only among the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: A paranormal among the paranormal, a rarity among the rarities.

And again with the same text.

Only the important part, which said that her eyes, despite being only Jewel are of the highest rank. I know that you tried to worm yourself out of that by noting that the description didn't include the second sentence but that's literally irrelevant since we already know that both Jewel and Rainbow were incredibly rare and powerful from other sources, so you literally have nothing.

Are you serious?

Now you're using the description... Except you're still trying to get away from the fact that MEODP and the Eyes of Distortion have the same description, word for word. Moreover, in Japanese their description differs from the description of Medusa.

And i don't need any answer because again :
1. The burden of proof is on you to prove your shit.

I already gave it.

2. Even if they have the same exact description, Distortion is not clasified.

And?

This excuse is literally childish. We can find similar unclassified abilities, items, and skills in many fandoms.

If an item does not have a classification, we look at its descriptions, abilities, or anything in general.

And when the description of the Eyes of Distortion coincides word for word with the Eyes of the Rainbow rank, then logically it turns out that they are of the same rank.

Adressed this,

In short, you don’t have an answer, but your pride doesn’t allow you to say.

I have already answered.

What do you expect ?
A wall of text ? I don't need one.

About half of them did not coincide with the real facts.

.... Why the fuck am i wasting time with you ... ?

Because pride.

I could quietly admit that they were of the same rank and no one else on this site would care any more or less. After all, the Eyes of Distortion are actually located somewhere off-screen.

Ophelia does need to perceive the fucking posbilities of someone and pin one in place. That's literally how her fucking abilitiy works.

Without perception, her ability wouldn't exist.

By the same Logic, Tohno can easily kill TATARI and Arcueid at night, and Ryogi never needed the effort to kill the bones of an initiate.

Ophelia needs nothing more than to see these timelines. Her brain is not burdened with the perception of the existence of anything, she does not risk dying simply from influencing a higher-level target. Tono and Ryogi must not only see, but also perceive the existence of something. It is for this reason that they constantly have headaches, Tohno can die from killing Noble Phantasms, and Ryogi was forced to perceive death lines of a higher level.

You literally have no idea about anything .

Rather, you are trying to turn everything out the way you want.

I never said that Ophelia shouldn't see what she interacts with, I said that she definitely doesn't need to perceive the existence of anything to do so.

Like i've said, this is not the case.
You're talking about limitations here , which yeah, both have but it's not specific only to them.

Yes. Everything has limits.

Fujino, weilder of the Eyes of Distorion. A user that is already >>> normal users due to her origin being awaken.

Likewise, Ryogi, without his origin, would hardly have received the Eyes of Death Perception, and Shirou Emiya would hardly have created "Trace On". Moreover, we don’t even know specifically how the discovery of the source affected her Eyes.

By the way, there are no “other” users of the Eye of Distortion, there is only Fujino.

She's the best example we have and we only work with what we have. She can't do the shit i've mentioned so it's safe to assume that the Eyes can't do that.

Everything else is conjecture.

If you wanna say that someone stronger would be able to affect that shit, prove it.

What are you even talking about?

First, there is a description of the skill where she can distort “everything that physically exists” regardless of the strength and scale of the target.

Then we have a literal interview with Nas where he almost directly said "she can't influence magic because she doesn't know anything about it. With a good teacher, she would become a monster."

Regarding restrictions, Nas was once asked this question directly. I quote the answer: In Fujinon’s world, things she thinks of as “unbendable” won’t bend. Since I already talked about it in the Chapter 3 Pamphlet Interview, I’ll leave it at that.

It works both ways.

Sure.

Yeah, they are, i didn;t check.


Yeah they are different.
But their abilities represent this : "
or Jewel and Rainbow ranks, it could be assumed that they didn't just possess powerful magecraft, but instead could actualize Mysteries that were otherwise entirely impossible to replicate in any era.

They could be said to be an exercise of the Authority of the Divine.

(If Mystic Eyes of Death Perception actually exist, maybe as the authority of Balor...)"

And how the fuck do you not understand my argument about abilities ? When trying to ascertain what is superior , what the fuck do you look at ? At their ranks/clasification and at their abilities. You analyze them and go from there.

If there is no rank, then we look at something that will help us at least hint at it. And I already wrote about the abilities above.

Then show me where is it classified as being Rainbow, cause eyes, that are actually in that rank have been classified as such.

Like MEDOP and Archtype's Eyes.

Apparently in the MEODP profile.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (A Rank): Among the many superpowers designated as Mystic Eyes, this is one of the highest grade. A superpower among superpowers, a rare item among rare items.

Why are these lines needed besides describing the rank?

Trying to use skills systems to justify shit and pretending like only Distortion and MEODP need to perceive things.

You remember this ranking system twice as often as I do. And about the second thing.

Something I didn’t notice was that the other eyes needed to perceive the existence of any object. They certainly need to see, but I did not notice Medusa perceiving the existence of Saber, corrupted in the Grail Mud, or Ophelia perceiving the existence of Surtr, the walking ragnarok. But I see how Tono must perceive the existence of “nature”, the existence of “TATARI” and the existence of space itself.

But this directly contradicts the second attempt you made by presenting the rank of Distortions to be above the MEDOP.

Nope. I've never used this as an argument. If you didn't notice, I used this as a question: If the rank of an ED skill is higher than the rank of a MEODP skill, does that mean that the ED is higher?

Moreover, if you don’t know how to read between the lines, then it was sarcasm.

You are more obsessed with these ranks than I am. I don’t mention them in any comment, unlike you.

And assuming that their rank is indeed the same,

And this also contradicts your example of Medusa and Ophelia.
I can literally use the same words you did :

"Ophelia's eyes are of Jewel rank. Medusa's eyes too. But at the same time, their action, radius, abilities and strength are different. Which is why I didn't understand your argument about abilities."

Replace Ophelia with Shiki and Medusa with Fujino .

MEODP and Distortion have different action,radius, abilities ...etc so once again you're shooting yourself in the foot

You're using my argument which you said you don' t understand which notes that you actually understand it but it was inconvenient for you to accept it cause it didn't help your own argument.

See ?

It's more likely that you didn't understand anything.

I compare things like: description, origin, limitations, mechanics, adaptation.

Just like in the end you can compare the Eyes of Ophelia and Medusa according to some of these parameters.

Your words do not cancel mine. These are different Eyes, whose abilities are also different, but in some things they are similar enough to compare them.

No, you didn't say that, you never made the distinction of the skill itself.

I did, i made the distinction when i called your bullshit.

You have 0 honest bones in your body.

Skill rank again. Here again you want to move away from the topic.

It doesn't actually for the reasons i provided.

it's work great.

I was providing an example of one set of eyes directly interacting with the ability of another.

Your example has none of that, so it's worthless.

Not that it matters since Arcueid herself can't handle MEODP all that well either.

So it’s the same here. Arcueid's eyes conveyed an impression to him that he could not overcome.

Further. Ryogi did not act with the ability of the eye. And with the effect of this ability. These are different things. We've already seen her directly kill the ability of other Eyes, but in Fujino's case it's a little different.

Arcueid has Rainbow Eyes. According to your logic, this is how it should work?

Where has it ever been said that different eyes interfere with each other's work at a higher rank? And what should this even look like?

The Eyes of Distortion continue to Distort Ryogi without any problems, but at the same time she cannot do anything against Asagami Fujino? That is, the ability of one Eye works while the second is blocked or what?

You’re just telling me that Shiki was able to kill the whirlwind and citing this as an argument that the Eyes of Perception are superior, but I don’t understand how this proves anything. What would this look like in your theoretical "another Rainbow Eye" scenario?

That's irrelevant. We're talking about concrete shit that actually happened.

I would be glad, but Asagami’s role is episodic, and further her abilities can only be judged by Nasu’s words, while both owners of the Eyes of Death Perception are the main characters of their works.

Well, that's your issue really cause you have to prove that they're at the same level.

The same description, they also affect the target regardless of strength and scale, limitations primarily among users and both require full perception of the existence of something.

Nasu didn't correct it so the inference that the fan was correct works, not to mention that he actually talked about bounded fields which are lower on the scale so..

Did Nas have to correct him? He answered the question specifically. That's it, his work is over. He already gave an answer about restrictions.

As far as I remember, we in this thread were already making fun of the fact that because of a comment from a random person from the pages of the manga, people are now saying that Gojo controls everything at the atomic level. You understand that this argument still looks like the height of reasonableness compared to “a random fan said something, but the author did not comment on it.”

.

Also :

"Because, since the distortion requires perceiving an existence on its entirety, it can’t bend the ground or the being known as a city. Also, because once the distortion is activated, you can avoid damage by moving away from its area."

By the word land here, apparently, they mean limited fields, and we have already talked about them. Plus If you haven't noticed, there is a requirement first, because of which Asagami cannot do this.

perceiving an existence on its entirety

There are ways around that as Tohno has demonstrated

Fujino generally appeared purely in one chapter. And then, according to the plot of this chapter, she used her powers for about a week.

What do you even want to see?

Duh, since they bring death.

Yeah, but Asagami has no problem at all with re-distorting anything.

So would you say that Distortion would be able to kill Tatari then ?

Nope. But they can influence the same object almost endlessly, they can influence Arcueid at night and so on.

Various restrictions, remember?

What false information you dullard ?

It's literally stated in the Tsukihime Remake.

Tohno Shiki can't kill him because TATARI "doesn't exist"

Fujino has the eyes tho and i already adressed this.


No, i could also take a look at the beings they have affected and the beings who want them which would not put distortion in a good light also, but i don't really need to, cause i have more than enough already.


It doesn't matter, we work with what we have and again, she's >>> other users due to the reason i and others have brought up.

There are no other Eye of Distortion users.

If new showings come up, i'll be happy to change my stance. Until then tho.. yeah , sorry.

You have a description. No more is required for voice-over ability.

 

[Proto234]

Description. And?

Yeah. More precisely, one line. And only if translated into English.

Here is a line from the description of Medusa: 最高レベルの魔眼・キュベレイを所有
Here is a line from the description of the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: 魔眼と呼称される異能の中でも最上級のもの。

But this is found only among the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: A paranormal among the paranormal, a rarity among the rarities.

And again with the same text.

Are you serious?

Now you're using the description... Except you're still trying to get away from the fact that MEODP and the Eyes of Distortion have the same description, word for word. Moreover, in Japanese their description differs from the description of Medusa.

I already gave it.

And?

This excuse is literally childish. We can find similar unclassified abilities, items, and skills in many fandoms.

If an item does not have a classification, we look at its descriptions, abilities, or anything in general.

And when the description of the Eyes of Distortion coincides word for word with the Eyes of the Rainbow rank, then logically it turns out that they are of the same rank.

In short, you don’t have an answer, but your pride doesn’t allow you to say.

About half of them did not coincide with the real facts.

Because pride.

I could quietly admit that they were of the same rank and no one else on this site would care any more or less. After all, the Eyes of Distortion are actually located somewhere off-screen.

By the same Logic, Tohno can easily kill TATARI and Arcueid at night, and Ryogi never needed the effort to kill the bones of an initiate.

Ophelia needs nothing more than to see these timelines. Her brain is not burdened with the perception of the existence of anything, she does not risk dying simply from influencing a higher-level target. Tono and Ryogi must not only see, but also perceive the existence of something. It is for this reason that they constantly have headaches, Tohno can die from killing Noble Phantasms, and Ryogi was forced to perceive death lines of a higher level.

Rather, you are trying to turn everything out the way you want.

I never said that Ophelia shouldn't see what she interacts with, I said that she definitely doesn't need to perceive the existence of anything to do so.

Yes. Everything has limits.

Likewise, Ryogi, without his origin, would hardly have received the Eyes of Death Perception, and Shirou Emiya would hardly have created "Trace On". Moreover, we don’t even know specifically how the discovery of the source affected her Eyes.

By the way, there are no “other” users of the Eye of Distortion, there is only Fujino.

What are you even talking about?

First, there is a description of the skill where she can distort “everything that physically exists” regardless of the strength and scale of the target.

Then we have a literal interview with Nas where he almost directly said "she can't influence magic because she doesn't know anything about it. With a good teacher, she would become a monster."

Regarding restrictions, Nas was once asked this question directly. I quote the answer: In Fujinon’s world, things she thinks of as “unbendable” won’t bend. Since I already talked about it in the Chapter 3 Pamphlet Interview, I’ll leave it at that.

Sure.

If there is no rank, then we look at something that will help us at least hint at it. And I already wrote about the abilities above.

Apparently in the MEODP profile.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (A Rank): Among the many superpowers designated as Mystic Eyes, this is one of the highest grade. A superpower among superpowers, a rare item among rare items.

Why are these lines needed besides describing the rank?

You remember this ranking system twice as often as I do. And about the second thing.

Something I didn’t notice was that the other eyes needed to perceive the existence of any object. They certainly need to see, but I did not notice Medusa perceiving the existence of Saber, corrupted in the Grail Mud, or Ophelia perceiving the existence of Surtr, the walking ragnarok. But I see how Tono must perceive the existence of “nature”, the existence of “TATARI” and the existence of space itself.

Nope. I've never used this as an argument. If you didn't notice, I used this as a question: If the rank of an ED skill is higher than the rank of a MEODP skill, does that mean that the ED is higher?

Moreover, if you don’t know how to read between the lines, then it was sarcasm.

You are more obsessed with these ranks than I am. I don’t mention them in any comment, unlike you.

It's more likely that you didn't understand anything.

I compare things like: description, origin, limitations, mechanics, adaptation.

Just like in the end you can compare the Eyes of Ophelia and Medusa according to some of these parameters.

Your words do not cancel mine. These are different Eyes, whose abilities are also different, but in some things they are similar enough to compare them.

Skill rank again. Here again you want to move away from the topic.

it's work great.

So it’s the same here. Arcueid's eyes conveyed an impression to him that he could not overcome.

Further. Ryogi did not act with the ability of the eye. And with the effect of this ability. These are different things. We've already seen her directly kill the ability of other Eyes, but in Fujino's case it's a little different.

Arcueid has Rainbow Eyes. According to your logic, this is how it should work?

Where has it ever been said that different eyes interfere with each other's work at a higher rank? And what should this even look like?

The Eyes of Distortion continue to Distort Ryogi without any problems, but at the same time she cannot do anything against Asagami Fujino? That is, the ability of one Eye works while the second is blocked or what?

You’re just telling me that Shiki was able to kill the whirlwind and citing this as an argument that the Eyes of Perception are superior, but I don’t understand how this proves anything. What would this look like in your theoretical "another Rainbow Eye" scenario?

I would be glad, but Asagami’s role is episodic, and further her abilities can only be judged by Nasu’s words, while both owners of the Eyes of Death Perception are the main characters of their works.

The same description, they also affect the target regardless of strength and scale, limitations primarily among users and both require full perception of the existence of something.

Did Nas have to correct him? He answered the question specifically. That's it, his work is over. He already gave an answer about restrictions.

As far as I remember, we in this thread were already making fun of the fact that because of a comment from a random person from the pages of the manga, people are now saying that Gojo controls everything at the atomic level. You understand that this argument still looks like the height of reasonableness compared to “a random fan said something, but the author did not comment on it.”

By the word land here, apparently, they mean limited fields, and we have already talked about them. Plus If you haven't noticed, there is a requirement first, because of which Asagami cannot do this.




Fujino generally appeared purely in one chapter. And then, according to the plot of this chapter, she used her powers for about a week.

What do you even want to see?

Yeah, but Asagami has no problem at all with re-distorting anything.

Nope. But they can influence the same object almost endlessly, they can influence Arcueid at night and so on.

Various restrictions, remember?

Tohno Shiki can't kill him because TATARI "doesn't exist"

There are no other Eye of Distortion users.

You have a description. No more is required for voice-over ability.

If this is about MEoDP' strength compared to other mystic eyes, you must remember that MEoDP under Tepeu managed to inflict damage to massively weakened ORT. Can't see other mystic eyes do the same (And iirc Tepeu' eyes is weaker than Tohno)

 

[Type-Rey]

Description. And?

And a description is not a comparison.

Yeah. More precisely, one line. And only if translated into English

Yes, the line that is the most important and germane to the conversation which is that that their eyes are of the highest rank which they aren't at least in the color classification way and which completely shuts down your argument.

I'll also note that it says the same thing on Gorgon's profile.

Here is a line from the description of Medusa:

Where's the line dumbo ?

Here is a line from the description of the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: The highest level of supernatural ability called the evil eye.

But this is found only among the Eye of Death Perception and the Eye of Distortion: A paranormal among the paranormal, a rarity among the rarities.

And again with the same text.

Nigga, you're trying to use a copy pasted description as an actual serious argument. We've been through this already.

Are you serious?

I am. Are you ?

Now you're using the description... Except you're still trying to get away from the fact that MEODP and the Eyes of Distortion have the same description, word for word. Moreover, in Japanese their description differs from the description of Medusa.

For the last fucking time, it doesn't matter. You're so desperate that you're trying to use literally a copy paste as a serious argument when that's literally irrelevant. The point is that Medusa/Gorgon's eyes are also described as being in the highest rank which is similar to how Meodp and Distortion are classified .

I already gave it.

You gave shit.

All the shit that you've said has been debunked.

And?

This excuse is literally childish. We can find similar unclassified abilities, items, and skills in many fandoms.

And that coupled with the other shit that has been brought up is not enough to say that they are actually equal . What you have is not enough to pass the standards of evidence requiered.
It's that simple.

And when the description of the Eyes of Distortion coincides word for word with the Eyes of the Rainbow rank, then logically it turns out that they are of the same rank.

Already covered this.

In short, you don’t have an answer, but your pride doesn’t allow you to say.

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

We can find similar unclassified abilities, items, and skills in many fandoms.

There it is. The whataboutisms again.

About half of them did not coincide with the real facts.

Projection.

By the same Logic, Tohno can easily kill TATARI and Arcueid at night, and Ryogi never needed the effort to kill the bones of an initiate.

Ophelia needs nothing more than to see these timelines. Her brain is not burdened with the perception of the existence of anything, she does not risk dying simply from influencing a higher-level target. Tono and Ryogi must not only see, but also perceive the existence of something. It is for this reason that they constantly have headaches, Tohno can die from killing Noble Phantasms, and Ryogi was forced to perceive death lines of a higher level.

So you're still conflating the limitations of their shit with how the abilities actually work.

Ok, keep being dumb, i've already explained this.

I never said that Ophelia shouldn't see what she interacts with, I said that she definitely doesn't need to perceive the existence of anything to do so.

And that's factually wrong .

Just because she doesn't get a fucking head ache doesn't mean she doesn't need to perceive thee existence of something.

Again, her ability works by perceiving the existences of possibilities.

Likewise, Ryogi, without his origin, would hardly have received the Eyes of Death Perception, and Shirou Emiya would hardly have created "Trace On". Moreover, we don’t even know specifically how the discovery of the source affected her Eyes

Dunno, what the fuck Shirou has to do with this, probably more of that desperation but ... we know that normal Distortion Eyes people need a to concentrate really fucking hard just to bend an arm .

Asagami doesn't, and she also has Clairvoyance which greatly helps the usage of her eyes. If you think those two unique components that she has doesn't make her special in any way, you're dumb. Period.

the way, there are no “other” users of the Eye of Distortion, there is only Fujino.

There are, they're just not named.

First, there is a description of the skill where she can distort “everything that physically exists” regardless of the strength and scale of the target.

Except Bounded fields.
And Concepts do not physically exist, so where's the issue.

Then we have a literal interview with Nas where he almost directly said "she can't influence magic because she doesn't know anything about it. With a good teacher, she would become a monster."

Which doesn't say anything about the eyes having the ability to affect the shit we're talking about. It just means she would be a lot stronger.

Regarding restrictions, Nas was once asked this question directly. I quote the answer: In Fujinon’s world, things she thinks of as “unbendable” won’t bend. Since I already talked about it in the Chapter 3 Pamphlet Interview, I’ll leave it at that.

Yeah, so you have no proof because there is no proof. You're grasping at straws trying to extrapolate vague answers that Nasu gave as evidence.
That shit doesn't fly here nigga. We're not SB.

If there is no rank, then we look at something that will help us at least hint at it. And I already wrote about the abilities above.

We sure do, and as we've explored, your conclusion is unsubstantiated.

Apparently in the MEODP profile.

Mystic Eyes of Death Perception (A Rank): Among the many superpowers designated as Mystic Eyes, this is one of the highest grade. A superpower among superpowers, a rare item among rare items.

Why are these lines needed besides describing the rank?

Nice evasion.

You remember this ranking system twice as often as I do. And about the second thing.

I don't know what this means, nor do i care .

Something I didn’t notice was that the other eyes needed to perceive the existence of any object. They certainly need to see, but I did not notice Medusa perceiving the existence of Saber, corrupted in the Grail Mud, or Ophelia perceiving the existence of Surtr, the walking ragnarok. But I see how Tono must perceive the existence of “nature”, the existence of “TATARI” and the existence of space itself.

And we're back to the specific mechanics of each eye. Boy i love this circular reasoning bullcrap, don't you ?

Nope. I've never used this as an argument. If you didn't notice, I used this as a question: If the rank of an ED skill is higher than the rank of a MEODP skill, does that mean that the ED is higher?

Moreover, if you don’t know how to read between the lines, then it was sarcasm.

You are more obsessed with these ranks than I am. I don’t mention them in any comment, unlike you.

>Literally quote yourself mentioning the FGO ranks.
>I never mentioned them.

Yeah, ok.

It's more likely that you didn't understand anything.

I compare things like: description, origin, limitations, mechanics, adaptation.

Just like in the end you can compare the Eyes of Ophelia and Medusa according to some of these parameters.

Your words do not cancel mine. These are different Eyes, whose abilities are also different, but in some things they are similar enough to compare them.

No, it's actually obvious that you don't understand shit.

My argument was not meant to cancel your words, it was meant to show that you are contradicting yourself and also lying and you continue to prove my point.

Skill rank again. Here again you want to move away from the topic.

Sorry bud, you might get away with BS on other places, but no here. If you don't want people to point out your stupidity, then don't be stupid.

So it’s the same here. Arcueid's eyes conveyed an impression to him that he could not overcome.

It's not the same for the reason i specified earlier.

There's no interaction between the eyes here. Arc basically disabled Shiki , rendering him unable to move which makes a scenario where the abilities of the eyes interacting with one another moot since Shiki wouldn't have been able to move in the first place .

It's amazing how you refuse to think.

Further. Ryogi did not act with the ability of the eye. And with the effect of this ability. These are different things. We've already seen her directly kill the ability of other Eyes, but in Fujino's case it's a little different.

...Right, not the with the ability of the eye but with the effect of the ability of the eyes themselves.

And i've never said she killed the ability, so.. nice strawman there.

Arcueid has Rainbow Eyes. According to your logic, this is how it should work?

That's not according to my logic, that 's your twisted logic, or your poor understanding of mine.

Where has it ever been said that different eyes interfere with each other's work at a higher rank?

It doesn't need to be stated Sperg Battler - kun. You can figure out shit without them being spelt out to you . If an ability can affect the workings of another ability directly, that tells us something about potency.

The Eyes of Distortion continue to Distort Ryogi without any problems, but at the same time she cannot do anything against Asagami Fujino? That is, the ability of one Eye works while the second is blocked or what?

You still don't get the difference between my example and yours ?

That's ok, i'm done trying to explain.

You’re just telling me that Shiki was able to kill the whirlwind and citing this as an argument that the Eyes of Perception are superior, but I don’t understand how this proves anything

It serves to prove that one is more potent that the other .

An ability shown to be able to fuck with the ability of another whilst the viceversa is not shown is a pretty good example. It's not necessarily meant to the only or ultimate example , but coupled with the others, it paints a pretty clear picture.

What would this look like in your theoretical "another Rainbow Eye" scenario?

I don't have any theoretical scenario. I work with what i have.

I would be glad, but Asagami’s role is episodic,

That's your issue.

Did Nas have to correct him

He didn't, that's the point

As far as I remember, we in this thread were already making fun of the fact that because of a comment from a random person from the pages of the manga, people are now saying that Gojo controls everything at the atomic level. You understand that this argument still looks like the height of reasonableness compared to “a random fan said something, but the author did not comment on it.”

Sorry, not doing whatabout-isms.

By the word land here, apparently, they mean limited fields, and we have already talked about them. Plus If you haven't noticed, there is a requirement first, because of which Asagami cannot do this.

Yeah, that's a limitation which applies to the the weilder of the eyes. We have been through this before, indeed.

Fujino generally appeared purely in one chapter. And then, according to the plot of this chapter, she used her powers for about a week.

What do you even want to see?

Not my issue.

I'm not the one trying to prove shit based on limited showings. You are.

Yeah, but Asagami has no problem at all with re-distorting anything.

Except the things that she can't distort in the first place.

Nope

Cool, so this doesn't make Distortion look any better.

they can influence Arcueid at night and so on

So can the MEODP buddy boy.

Arc at night has miniscule lines, but Shiki can still see them with some effort

And what even is your point ? That Distortion would be able to bend Arc around ? Ok ? To what end ? Her being cut up by the MeoDP had her create a brand new body . What the hell would Distortion due to her? Twist her into a pretzel until she gets into muder hobbo mode ? Yeah, great idea. It would totally make Distortion look good.

Tohno Shiki can't kill him because TATARI "doesn't exist"

... I'm just gonna let you go back and follow the chain of responses and figure out that your reply is about as random as me stating that i don't like eating clams.

There are no other Eye of Distortion users.

Yeah, there are.

You have a description

No, you have a copy pasted description.

No more is required for voice-over ability

On SB ? Maybe.

Here? Nope.

 

[Type-Rey]

If this is about MEoDP' strength compared to other mystic eyes, you must remember that MEoDP under Tepeu managed to inflict damage to massively weakened ORT

That's only because ORT had the concept of Death imposed on him before that.

 

[NeloAngelo]

Wait, how does he beat base Fiamma but potentially lose to LPSAD Fiamma?

Last I checked, the only difference is that he no longer has a limited "stock" of Holy Right usage and the whole "can use miracles from Christianity associated with the right hand" thing.

Because Fiamma LPSD should have enough power to make a one shot without going so far into the NLF of the limit that the HR has.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/minamoto-no-raikou-fate-grand-order-vs-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen.1128422/page-4?post=96920243#post-96920243

Yeah, there is mistake in this, since it is shown Kriemhild has no chance at all despite backed by 2 grails and her own Balmung.
This video (minute 5) shows that Siegfried is holding back against her and when he got serious, she gets trounced.

The amount of context they keep removing(and it's not even close to the actual truth) is honestly just disgusting at this point when even TvDopes outright states that Kriemhild couldn't do shit to Siegfried because of how woefully inexperienced as a fighter she really is despite having Balmung and backed up by 2 Grails.
This is absolute peak delusion at this point to legit lie this hard just so Sukuna can pretend to have a chance at victory against people he would get mollywhopped against...

It's even funnier as Kriemhild would defeat Sukuna herself.

 

[ChaosTheory123]

Sukuna has the power of a mid/high tier Dark Tournament YYH fighter with all the speed of Kuwabara during the Saint Beasts Arc

He’s too powerful for KnY, but nothing worth discussing compared to most series outside of cutting space, which is a generic hax among generic hax

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Sukuna has the power of a mid/high tier Dark Tournament YYH fighter with all the speed of Kuwabara during the Saint Beasts Arc

He’s too powerful for KnY, but nothing worth discussing compared to most series outside of cutting space, which is a generic hax among generic hax

That's basically it but of course, the anime "amped up his and Mahoraga's abilities and thus, they can fight anyone" using literally the power of rushed animation and terrible flow to pretend they are not Mach 1-3 and are not still just MCB at the end of the day...

 

[Type-Rey]

It;s funny that you mentioned Kuwabara since SB would probably have him getting stomped by Wankuna .

 

[Adamant soul]

Shikai Renji vs Gentei Kaijo Bankai Renji

Bankai Renji is basically at 20% of his power vs Shikai Renji who is at 100% of his power ....who wins. This is Preskip version ... @featherine augustus @Lord Stark @Matador @Camoball @Final Fantasy @DR4GON @Corax @Heaven or Hell @Gwiber @Keishin

www.fanverse.org

Doubtful, Hitsugaya has much better feats in base/shikai than in bankai with the gentei rein. I.e.

Since when?

Shikai Hitsugaya can casually one-shot lieutenant-level combatants like Hinamori and Kira but can't even extreme diff the likes of Shawlong with his bankai when limited.

Uh huh and Hinamori had to catch the Tres Bestia in base off guard to be able to do anything and STILL couldn't kill them even with a kido + Shikai combo she had time to prep for. Reminder that they were in BASE form, not even released.

All this proves is Shawlong is one of the stronger Fraccion, there's no contradiction here unless you appeal to an Aizen statement that was blatantly proven to be false in a later flashback (ie that all of Grimmjow's fraccion are weak BECAUSE they were Gillian class Arrancar).

At best Bankai Renji with the limiter would be on the same level as Shikai Renji but still has more and better options, there's no scenario where a Soul Reaper in Shikai is beating themselves with Bankai unless you're using a stronger version of them for the Shikai version.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

That's basically it but of course, the anime "amped up his and Mahoraga's abilities and thus, they can fight anyone" using literally the power of rushed animation and terrible flow to pretend they are not Mach 1-3 and are not still just MCB at the end of the day...

the best thing the anime added from what I can tell is giving us a better view of the arrow's aoe, which afaik we didn't see fully in the manga? I could be wrong

anyway the reason that's weird is because I haven't really seen anyone bring that up, just the slicing and dicing buildings which in the grand scheme of things, isn't significant

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

It;s funny that you mentioned Kuwabara since SB would probably have him getting stomped by Wankuna .

The truly messed up part is that you would most definitely be right...

the best thing the anime added from what I can tell is giving us a better view of the arrow's aoe, which afaik we didn't see fully in the manga? I could be wrong

anyway the reason that's weird is because I haven't really seen anyone bring that up, just the slicing and dicing buildings which in the grand scheme of things, isn't significant

Yeah, that was the only thing the anime actually did that enhanced the scene itself. Everything else is no different whatsoever and it's hilarious they pretend chucking cars very fast is somehow a true feat or throwing around a 3 section subway car as if it's a truly huge feat when it isn't.

 

[Paxton]

Because Fiamma LPSD should have enough power to make a one shot without going so far into the NLF of the limit that the HR has.

Sorry, this doesn't really make any sense to me.

Aren't Primarchs solar system level?

If you're assuming the Holy Right actually gets "stronger" and isn't pure hax, it still can't hurt Mortarion, since it only has statements of being planet level (ignoring full power Archangels scaling to the Dainsleif calamities).

And if it is pure hax, like I said, it doesn't matter if it's base Fiamma or LPSAD Fiamma, because the only difference in that case is that there's no usage limit and it has the additional miracle stuff (which it honestly doesn't need).

 

[Paxton]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mugino-vs-touma-toaru.1128833/post-96925436

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mugino-vs-touma-toaru.1128833/post-96927116

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mugino-vs-touma-toaru.1128833/post-96928058

Accelerator didn't have non-supernatural strength beyond Touma's. His victory relied entirely on his ability to redirect the supernatural attacks Accelerator mindlessly spammed. Fighters that are stronger and faster than Touma by non-supernatural means are pretty much his weakspot, which is why he still struggles with regular soldiers in a direct confrontation.

Any punch Touma throws at her she can see coming in slow motion with her artificial eye and just catch it with her cyborg arm.

Accelerator is a stick, Mugino is out here bitch slapping tigers.

In the novels Touma would almost definitely win by some bullshit. Mugino outstats him pretty wildly though.

 

[Paxton]

Mugino having better physicals than Touma and Accelerator because she bitch slapped a tiger is the funniest shit I've read all week

Even lowballing shit, average magicians are at least building level (with their spells, anyway), and Touma often survives their attacks multiple times in his fights with them.

And even worse than that, Accelerator often takes bypassed attacks from high tiers that get through his reflection... and yet he doesn't get turned into chunky salsa from their attacks.

(Even nullifying 0.000001% of a hit from a weakened Gabriel should be superior to anything Mugino can do, let alone when he fights nerfed MGs and the same shit happens)