Tbf, FSR Musashi doesn't go "Oh Yes Sexy. Mai name isu Musashi Miyamoto!" and doesn't claim to be an American lol
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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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She only did that because she was so embarrassed over her blunder(That she split herself into two selves, the latter has her killer instinct) that she pretended to be Miyamoto Iori to escape from the shame.
That's it, there's no difference between her as a Berserker in SR to her as a Berserker in FGO.
EDIT: That's what actually playing the games will tell you and not just looking for shit to downplay and making shit up.
I know man, I just shit post lol
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Anyone gonna comment on the Bobobo vs Superman thread on spacebattles?
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Alkamus' arguement has always been wrong and rarely ever correct. He utilized only headcanon, and only from time to time it fit with actual canon. Like making assumption is okay and there are times it is necessary, his assumption however are more than necessary degree to uneceessary degree and make it off the mark.
This is why I just instantly assume everything he said are just wrong before even reading, unless someone else can confirm it. And this comment just prove me right.
He talk as if Musashi is nihilistic with no thoughts of her own that the moment she got Bloodthirsty she lost all her abilities.
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Neither are as nearly bad as Rumbles though.
Well spacebattles, it's pretty close, but not quite.
The funny part is the losing rational thought from bloodthirst is actually canonical from a Servant... but it's not Musashi(This doesn't even begin to make sense with how Musashi is able to become "Zero" if she can't get a handle on her shit) it's Cu and that's only due to a combination of really wanting EMIYA dead and Celtic Bloodlust getting the better of him.
Otherwise, it's not even just Alkamus who does it but virtually everyone who keeps arguing against Fate never watch shit and only get their points from others who equally downplay it(Like Nursery or Siriel) or those who only got the most cursory glance and then just bitches and moans. Anyone who knows Fate to an even decent degree knows the "power ramp" long existed from the start as I stated before with Nvrsqr's existence(Hell, it started with Witch On The Holy Night with Aoko gaining the Fifth Magic and Shizuki being able to hurt a goddamned Nature Spirit, something practically near the level of a Divine Spirit, if not at that level) and Nasu basically all but pointed out that Tsukihime's and Fate's powerlevels are not all that different(2 Servants would be an issue for 30% Arcueid while Gilgamesh can kick her ass due to being able to overpower her special defense, Tohno and Shirou would both end up dead in their fight).
And like every other series, the power levels expanded because surprise, surprise, Nasu and Takeuchi wanted to go further which is why Fate/Extra is a thing. It's just hilarious they want to go Feats > Statements but only apply it to Fate wholeheartedly while doing exactly what we do for Demon Slayer(or MHA for the other thread) and use Statements when they extrapolate with the feats and think they are being slick. Nothing makes me bust a gut harder than Nursery believing that Shigaraki can just expel Hydra Venom from his body when all Nasu did... was just pull how Hydra Venom actually works in myth and put it into his series: aka, no, that shit will be stuck in Shigaraki and he will die a horrific death literally melting to death just having the fumes in his system, let alone the real shit while being in absolutely AGONIZING PAIN(To the point the Immortal Chiron literally killed himself because the pain was too much to bare)
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I mention EX rank Mad Enhancement on her Swimsuit, the same rank as her F/SR and this is what he answer with
He also say this wtf? What does this mean? Is he saying Morgan can't blow up meteor and Artoria can't destroy the meteor?
What is this supposed to mean, like why would the rank superiority matters here? They have the same rank.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...r.1140442/page-10?post=98374060#post-98374060 read the rest of what she said lmao
That doesn't even begin to make sense...
Servant Rankings aren't as "pointless" as he makes them out to be(The problem is that Nasu implied but only truly stated that not all Servant Saint Graphs are created equal and thus, Cursed Arm Hassan's Saint Graph is not the same as Sanzang's nor is Artoria's Saint Graph the same as Jason's) but to pretend that Servant stats and rankings don't matter to the point they can flippantly change not just between Classes but literally between having a Swimsuit or not is asinine to the nth degree.
Servants literally tweak their Spirit Origins to switch different Classes as we know in FGO but that doesn't fully change what they have access to.
EDIT: Hell, what completely annihilates Alkamus's argument? That Musashi in Samurai Remnant's moveset explicitly uses both of her abilities in both Saber AND Berserker movesets explicitly from FGO itself. Don't believe me? Go and look at her moveset in Samurai Remnant and go look at her Animations in FGO, there is virtually NO DIFFERENCE.
Ah yes, Rho Aias, the Shield that blocked Durandiana that was able to block Lostbelt Artemis' Planet Destroying Laser...
Even if degraded one Rank below like Archer's would still be more than enough to offset enough of Excalibur Morgan that Belleophron can take her.
Secondly, Alakmus is doing insane gymnastics to prove that "Nasu stuff makes no sense" but intentionally removing context from all of that as for one that "Meteor" even acting outside of Moriarty's plot was going to destroy the entire Singularity and the Earth itself:
Fate/Grand Order Feats - Unlimited Lost Works and Excalibur Morgan vs 101955 Bennu
Final Tally Model 1 Bennu Yield Range (based on Chixulub Impact something or other) = 310.707 teratons to 1.386 petatons Bennu Speed (02/01/1999) = 1,755,281,683 m/s Model 2 Bennu Yield (09/11/1999) = 28.8 petatons Bennu Yield (09/22/1999) =...
onelastforum.com Gae Bolg was also stated by EMIYA himself to be on the level of Gungnir, if not higher than that(Which is why it's so damn strong considering how legendary it is under Cu to the point it's Strike is virtually an Authority despite Cu not being a Divine Spirit):
vs Rho Aias
and finally, Belleophron is stated to be the 2nd strongest Noble Phantasm even in comparison to thrown Gae Bolg:
So none of these comparison's work if you, I don't know, read the story or did some research. There has been a constant reason why everyone states the Fifth Holy Grail War was bullshit stacked with powerful Servants... because it WAS.
Trying to tie feats in that they look "less impressive than they are" doesn't even work for Fate because even looking at them in the fashion Nasu wants you to do so would easily get you Continental and above and Relativistic real goddamned fast even in F/SN's VN, let alone the Anime.
By competent you mean the military able to curbstomp otherwise more advanced adversary for little to no reason I guess. Like how USA military able to defeat Decepticons robots in Bayformers
Shit, you made me remember that Spacebattles has an insane Real Life Military fetish to the point they believe they could defeat X and Y Wings from Star Wars unironically amongst many other ludicrous claims.
FSR Musashi is literally just Summer Musashi. Like she even uses that dumb five part laser beam thing. Being a Rogue apparently weakens her Saint Graph to some extent, but it's hardly crippling and saying she doesn't scale to FGO doesn't make much sense when it's literally the same character
That or RL earth able to stand against 40k Orks.
Damn, I still remember that one (and still having headache on directly debates against that stupidity)
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That doesn't even begin to make sense...
Servant Rankings aren't as "pointless" as he makes them out to be(The problem is that Nasu implied but only truly stated that not all Servant Saint Graphs are created equal and thus, Cursed Arm Hassan's Saint Graph is not the same as Sanzang's nor is Artoria's Saint Graph the same as Jason's) but to pretend that Servant stats and rankings don't matter to the point they can flippantly change not just between Classes but literally between having a Swimsuit or not is asinine to the nth degree.
Servants literally tweak their Spirit Origins to switch different Classes as we know in FGO but that doesn't fully change what they have access to.
EDIT: Hell, what completely annihilates Alkamus's argument? That Musashi in Samurai Remnant's moveset explicitly uses both of her abilities in both Saber AND Berserker movesets explicitly from FGO itself. Don't believe me? Go and look at her moveset in Samurai Remnant and go look at her Animations in FGO, there is virtually NO DIFFERENCE.
Ah yes, Rho Aias, the Shield that blocked Durandiana that was able to block Lostbelt Artemis' Planet Destroying Laser...
Even if degraded one Rank below like Archer's would still be more than enough to offset enough of Excalibur Morgan that Belleophron can take her.
Secondly, Alakmus is doing insane gymnastics to prove that "Nasu stuff makes no sense" but intentionally removing context from all of that as for one that "Meteor" even acting outside of Moriarty's plot was going to destroy the entire Singularity and the Earth itself:
Fate/Grand Order Feats - Unlimited Lost Works and Excalibur Morgan vs 101955 Bennu
Final Tally Model 1 Bennu Yield Range (based on Chixulub Impact something or other) = 310.707 teratons to 1.386 petatons Bennu Speed (02/01/1999) = 1,755,281,683 m/s Model 2 Bennu Yield (09/11/1999) = 28.8 petatons Bennu Yield (09/22/1999) =...
Gae Bolg was also stated by EMIYA himself to be on the level of Gungnir, if not higher than that(Which is why it's so damn strong considering how legendary it is under Cu to the point it's Strike is virtually an Authority despite Cu not being a Divine Spirit):
vs Rho Aias
and finally, Belleophron is stated to be the 2nd strongest Noble Phantasm even in comparison to thrown Gae Bolg:
So none of these comparison's work if you, I don't know, read the story or did some research. There has been a constant reason why everyone states the Fifth Holy Grail War was bullshit stacked with powerful Servants... because it WAS.
Trying to tie feats in that they look "less impressive than they are" doesn't even work for Fate because even looking at them in the fashion Nasu wants you to do so would easily get you Continental and above and Relativistic real goddamned fast even in F/SN's VN, let alone the Anime.
Exactly, there is a reason why I mention Environmental damage. Even the Bellerophon vs Excalibur mentioned, just the fact that its huge beam of energy vs another huge beam of energy in the form of a horse should destroy the building they were at when battling in F/SN but it didn't.
Ea should level the entire Shrine but it didn't.
But we know they can. F/SN just didn't show much environmental damage which is what people latch on to, when they want to say F/SN feat are not that impressive and F/GO is massive boost.
F/GO is massive boost yes, but not to the degree of what people are saying. The F/SN Servants themselves are not really boosted. Except Artoria because Shirou's reason.
Read what this guy said
Andy folds the nigga like an omelette
Andy has but what ability masterblack?
hes Undead
with Regen out the absolute ass
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