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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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ChaosTheory123

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Granted if he does get a good CT he could potentially deal some massive damage, there are ways Yuta could win but the chance of that happening is pretty fucking low with how massive Archers AOE is
???

JJK’s ceiling is so low compared to Nasu’s floor the bar is in the Earth’s mantle.

There is no win condition, he ain’t bringing massive damage :maybe
 

States Archer can't use Yuta's DE Swords and someone asks why
"Because only Yuta can use those swords"
Structural Grasp + Projection goes BRRRRR

Doesn't NP also have special reasons like that? Where each hero's NP cannot be used, even if it can be used the NP value will decrease.

Iirc it's explained in the Apocrypha novel when Astoflo borrows Achilles' shield.

Seeing as Archer has no problem using another NP Servant, I don't see him having any trouble taking Yuta's weapon.

To basically answer the question: It's because it's only the Heroic Spirit themselves that can use the Noble Phantasm because it's theirs. Achilles being able to be used by others is special due to his legend of passing off his items to others being a well known thing, so yes, EMIYA being able to project other peoples' Noble Phantasms outside of Divine Constructs(without dying in the process) should mean he can Project Yuta's weapons if he somehow needs them.
 

You have to be joking. Endeavor's whole narrative is he can't reach All Might or Deku's level (for Christ's sake he even says it). How is Endeavor AM level when he can't even land a clean hit on AFO without Hawks' help?

Because he almost killed AFO when he finally DID get him in a position where he couldn't dodge or deal with it if it wasn't for Emi's Rewind Quirk going full blast in him...
So we are at the point where people can just make shit up and act like "Hawks is the reason?" and other nonsense when at the end of the day, Endeavor was taking those hits, Endeavor helped get the opening on AFO and he nearly turned him into ashes... but somehow none of that tracks to Endeavor's ability or power...

Spacebattles really has become Stupid Town...
 

Overall, MHA has far superior anime only feats, but Enji doesn't scale to those specific feats. And the anime only feats that Gojo scales to are better. Even without Limitless his brute strength would be enough to kill Enji and survive through most of his attacks with regeneration.

No they are not... seriously, this is just Uzui vs. Gyutaro all over again where something looks "more impressive" at first glance actually isn't but they run with it because it comes off "crazier" than they think it is.
None of Jogo's, Sukuna's nor Mahoraga's feats in the anime matches anything Endeavor does against the High End he faces, let alone against AFO at the end of the manga.

And when does Gojo defeat Enji in brute strength?

Captain Celebrity could lift a cruise liner and Endeavor doesn't scale to that kind of strength period. He hits hard because he has a lot of firepower, not because he's inherently that strong.

I fully remember Endeavor doing some really stupid strength feats without using his flames as early as his actual combat entrance where he kills a Nomu with a single hand by breaking it's neck casually. Put in some of the other shit that can be stated and if him knocking down a weakened Gigantomachia is true, ain't no way in fuck Gojo is his physical match...
 
Psure the only thing standing up to Nasu is Comedian

And it's not even for the reason places like Spacebattles and R/JujutsuKaisen think it is...
It's only because the nature of how his shit works means that it will be difficult for them to hurt him without basically just going full "lol with their NPs" as it would potentially just break it outright.
 

Masterblack06

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Ok I think after clarifying like 3 times if you think I said "Black Panther >> Surfer" you are just retarded lol no getting around it
Nah, that part of my post is more adressed to the vs community in general and me being frustrated that people keep bringing that shit up constantly.

You think you've seen shit debating, spend like 5 miniutes on the debate side of tik tok and you'll see shit you aint never seen before
 

Crimson Dragoon

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its 2024 why the fuck are we still using one off feats from Black Fucking Panther and going "yes this is consistent"
Again, it’s also very easy to shit on Garou too as Chaos and I pointed out

Anyway, no one escapes the inconsistency problems, people shit on comics more because of the amount of writers (with some really liking their pet characters a tad too much) and decades of material. Kind of understandable, but then you have people like CoolCubed who doesn’t seem to be interested in any kind of honest debate and basically just acts like a youtuber trying to farm for attention with some “debunk video”.

Even with that whole oodles of writers and decades of material thing, there’s still a pretty broad general picture you can paint of Heralds/top end space heroes at their “best”

  • Thor’s Mjolnir can bust planets as said decades ago and then is brought back up again several years later by Jason Aaron
  • Gladiator punches a planet to pieces
  • Gladiator has narrative hype about being able to crush a neutron star or something and then again with him being able to rip apart a black hole.
  • Also survives containing an explosion that would’ve wasted half a solar system according to Reed
  • Surfer destroys a planet and also a nearby moon with his clash against Morg, fights Red Shift in a black hole, then destroys a planet again in Annihilation just to prove a point
  • Terrax busts a planet just after a chunk of his Power Cosmic got slurped up by Randau
  • Ronan’s energy manipulation plus Quasar’s raw power stopping two stars from going nova and conjoined them in Annihilators, with guidance from Surfer’s cosmic awareness
  • The Annihilators then rearrange the planets to adjust them to more suitable orbits
  • Then it’s mentioned they have to deal with a sentient black hole
Mucking about with celestial bodies aren’t really treated as one-offs for guys on that tier. Yeah, you can go lower, pathetically lower even, but that applies to like 90% of super powered fiction. People who can wreck planets won’t do it all the time for one reason or another
 

Xcano

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Nah, that part of my post is more adressed to the vs community in general
Fair enough tbh
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Salfarc

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I literally talk about Yaldabaoth in Yaldabaoth thread is bad accoring to TheWorld

And yea he also insist on Olga being Beast VII
 
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I literally talk about Yaldabaoth in Yaldabaoth thread is bad accoring to TheWorld

And yea he also insist on Olga being Beast VII

Holy shit, she isn't recognized as Beast VII, that's why the Excalibur Cannon failed on her(Which has all of the same requirements to work at full blast)! Seriously, actually fucking read for two goddamned seconds and not on fucking DeepL and he would know what he's saying is shit.

Still amazing he's pushing Yaldabaoth so hard despite the dude being nothing compared to everything else in Persona, let alone SMT(For fuck's sake, he lost because of a few people close to the Phantom Thieves not only broke the brainwashing, but got everyone else in Tokyo to cheer on the Phantom Thieves to power up Joker above him... the Human Order would overwhelm him)
 

Salfarc

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Holy shit, she isn't recognized as Beast VII, that's why the Excalibur Cannon failed on her(Which has all of the same requirements to work at full blast)! Seriously, actually fucking read for two goddamned seconds and not on fucking DeepL and he would know what he's saying is shit.

Still amazing he's pushing Yaldabaoth so hard despite the dude being nothing compared to everything else in Persona, let alone SMT(For fuck's sake, he lost because of a few people close to the Phantom Thieves not only broke the brainwashing, but got everyone else in Tokyo to cheer on the Phantom Thieves to power up Joker above him... the Human Order would overwhelm him)

He is not pushing Yaldabaoth that is the point, his argument have nothing to do with Yaldabaoth at all when the thread is about Yaldabaoth.

So he is just derailing at this point.
 

If Angel's CT is used as the sure hit there won't be a katana with it, the Domain barrier itself is imbued with the CT. All the other CT materialise as Katanas.

Seriously, is this fanfiction at this point? We literally get told in the chapter how Yuta's DE works and yet, people act like that the rules suddenly doesn't exist just for Archer to randomly lose advantages to Yuta because. Yuta has no idea what Sword has what CT, he can only use said CT if he is wielding said sword. That is a huge disadvantage against Archer.


That seems like it would be less efficient than just slapping, say, Cleave onto the barrier and using budget Malevolent Shrine to dice Archer into pieces and instantly winning the fight.

Yes, Cleave insta-killing a Servant when it couldn't even kill Yuji, Gojo or Yuta, especially Archer of all people who is known for taking absurd levels of damage and still walking it off to beat your ass.

Technique Extinguishment would probably wipe out Archer's arsenal but might not be deadly on its own, whereas something like Cleave would be better if he just wants to win instantly.

A technique that can wipe away only Cursed Techniques... can suddenly work on a Reality Marble...
Can't say I didn't expect this from Starsight...

Even if he summons the swords himself, they would simply be dispersed by Technique Extinguishment, as the swords themselves would be targeted by the sure-hit.

Again, acting as if Yuta knows which sword has which Technique when he canonically doesn't know until he's grabbed it and somehow, something that can stop Cursed Techniques can stop someone's REALITY MARBLE...
You might as well say Archer's existence stops the DE from working.

It seems like Yuta can control it to an extent, since Yuji and Rika aren't being hit by it at all.

And I feel like Rule 13 would allow Tracing NPs to be negated by it as well.

And by that logic, Yuta's DE would fail miserably against Archer's Unlimited Blade Works by existing and Yuta would be even more defenseless than he already is...
 
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