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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Yeah, you can drone on in a wall of text about Marvel and the nature of debating in this hobby
Doesn’t change the fact Garou depends on a collection of feats I can count on one hand, of which none are remotely of similar order of magnitude. Fa Jin is even more piss than Orochi wrenching energy/matter from the planet’s core and Psychorochi shaving off the top of the planet. Hell, the showings got progressively weaker. Orochi < Psychorochi < Monster Garou with Fa Jin being the underwhelming turd of a cherry on top of the pre-Cosmic power escalation.
Cosmic Garou doesn’t even have his own feats, he’s just Saitama’s punching bag that gets compared to him as a matter of course. Gamma Ray Burst may very well have the same intensity of one per unit area, but it ain’t comparable to a real one with how little matter it interacts with the excite the electrons of for measure. Punch s^2 is bullshit without the void. Both Garou and Saitama at their weakest, neither replicate it with several… how many uncountable attacks did they throw at each other on Io? Couldn’t pay me to take that planetary destruction statement without treating the void as something with any weight given stronger showings came up snake eyes.
I mean, I will because I’m not a pedant about CoE, but I’m not me in this post
That surface flip on Io isn’t worth discussing. It’s only better than Garou’s nuke fists because it tosses a continent worth of matter into the moon’s orbit.
Jupiter sneeze didn’t even touch Garou. He actively dodged it while he still let himself get clapped by Saitama’s hands. Begs the question that Saitama may not have been cutting loose at that point given Garou couldn’t handle a sneeze.
Nothing else done mattered. Every attack thrown is a feat. I count a fraction of a percent of things you can compare Garou to rather than the larger library of nothing most of the choreography offered.
And that’s not even talking speed. 2-3 feats of note period for that span. The only one possibly FTL is jumping away from Io as the sneeze shaved off Jupiter’s atmosphere.
Good thing it’s community mental health I guess then, pretty affordable
Noay theres gotta be something in there that can be decent
Best feat was sub-megatons
You need to be incredibly liberal with earthquake parameters to get megatons for Gojo’s feat upon getting out of that prison realm.
Would be hard pressed to see it cause notable injury
I hereby give the Fat Chocobo prize for dumbest argument to the fool who said it was Tidus because he got a speed boost from his EX mode.
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A good match for roof level Saga
Makes that Gogeta vs Garou thread even sillierYeah, you can drone on in a wall of text about Marvel and the nature of debating in this hobby
Doesn’t change the fact Garou depends on a collection of feats I can count on one hand, of which none are remotely of similar order of magnitude. Fa Jin is even more piss than Orochi wrenching energy/matter from the planet’s core and Psychorochi shaving off the top of the planet. Hell, the showings got progressively weaker. Orochi < Psychorochi < Monster Garou with Fa Jin being the underwhelming turd of a cherry on top of the pre-Cosmic power escalation.
Cosmic Garou doesn’t even have his own feats, he’s just Saitama’s punching bag that gets compared to him as a matter of course. Gamma Ray Burst may very well have the same intensity of one per unit area, but it ain’t comparable to a real one with how little matter it interacts with the excite the electrons of for measure. Punch s^2 is bullshit without the void. Both Garou and Saitama at their weakest, neither replicate it with several… how many uncountable attacks did they throw at each other on Io? Couldn’t pay me to take that planetary destruction statement without treating the void as something with any weight given stronger showings came up snake eyes.
I mean, I will because I’m not a pedant about CoE, but I’m not me in this post
That surface flip on Io isn’t worth discussing. It’s only better than Garou’s nuke fists because it tosses a continent worth of matter into the moon’s orbit.
Jupiter sneeze didn’t even touch Garou. He actively dodged it while he still let himself get clapped by Saitama’s hands. Begs the question that Saitama may not have been cutting loose at that point given Garou couldn’t handle a sneeze.
Nothing else done mattered. Every attack thrown is a feat. I count a fraction of a percent of things you can compare Garou to rather than the larger library of nothing most of the choreography offered.
And that’s not even talking speed. 2-3 feats of note period for that span. The only one possibly FTL is jumping away from Io as the sneeze shaved off Jupiter’s atmosphere.
Both DBZ and OPM suffer the same issues with feats, but Gogeta still scales to better feats and not only that, there’s just more planetary destruction because of DBZ’s sheer quantity
Dude is just fucked all around
Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0
Tier 0 is really just the symmetrical conclusion of this. It is essentially an entity who is "Absolute Existence," which you, necessarily, can't really be beyond, because no matter how high of a being you are, you'll never really be escaping the basic principle of "There is something there." If...
It's funny, I didn't find VSB's last tier revamp too bad
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@Xhominid The Apex did we fought Kiara when she was Juvenile Beast?
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As Type-Rey stated, yes, we fought Kiara as a Juvenile Beast as if she completed her plan, she would become a full scale Beast like Kama would be if she completed her plan. The only other Beast that has become a full blown Beast after Tiamat and Goetia is Draco and potentially if the Foreign World CHALDEAS is able to fully take control of U-Olga Marie in earnest.
Base Lille Barro vs Vollstandig and Sklaverei Robert Accutrone
Location: Soul Society
www.fanverse.org Actually thinks fucking mid-ass Bambi and As Nodt beat Base Lillie.
Nimaya vs all Espadas
1. 1 vs1 2. All at their strongest vs him. Kirinji can heal him if he gets overwhelmed
www.fanverse.org Now admittedly I might have jumped the shark A BIT by including Rose in the list of over half the current Gotei Captains who COULD solo, considering only ONE Espada actually has the regenerative capabilities to exploit his Bankai's weakness.
And even that's assuming Ulquiorra rips his ears off in time AND defeats Rose before they grow back, considering his regen is automatic and he would be on a time limit unlike Mask who has to trigger his regen via cheers.
You know what, NO I'm keeping Rose in that list.
Rose vs All 10 Espadas
Mindset: Bloodlusted Knowledge: Manga Location: Hueco Mundo Starting forms: Rose starts with Bankai + Mask all scenarios. Scenario 1: All 10 Espadas are restricted to their base forms. Scenario 2: All 10 Espadas start in their Ressurections. Ulquiorra cannot use Segunda Etapa. Scenario 3...
www.fanverse.org 
Jesus Christ, I haven't seen such wank in a long ass time to believe Karna can't burn an Ocean down and Caenis can't do shit against it but Gilgamesh needs to because "It can just blast Brockton Bay from the sea" when they can sense Magical Energy...
Can RG Byakuya slice Gerards sword?
RG Byakuya uses shukei hakuteiken against vollstandig gerard, would he be able to slice his sword similar to adult toshiro if they clash? Round 1: Giant gerard Round 2: Vollstandig Gerard
www.fanverse.org He says about the guy making a complete fool of himself by ignoring what is outright shown on panel and relying on complete fanfiction/headcannon (freezing shit lowers durability).
Hardly considering Byakuya used SBK to consistently block attacks from stronger forms of Gerard throughout the fight and even against his strongest AFTER this, but of course he HAS to be completely disingenuous about this to pretend the power jump is actually absurd when it really isn't.
As I believe I just clarified, no it fucking isn't.
See THIS is the shit I'm talking about with this guy. Where in the fuck are you getting MULTIPLE BANKAI POWER-UPS from?
Absolutely NOWHERE especially when, as far as we can tell, it's unlikely Gerard even got a FULL Bankai's (certainly not two if he even got one) power up over the course of the entire fight considering he's still presumably weaker than Bankai Kenpachi by the end.
But again he has to pretend Gerard's power jump is bigger than it actually is because his entire case against Byakuya's feat against him is that Senkei couldn't possibly boost his power THAT much, despite multiple feats of Byakuya blocking attacks from him with base SBK.
Oh Jesus Christ that's NOT how that works.
Spirit Energy CAN increase with the threat of death but, outside of the one time against Ururu where that was used to restore Ichigo's spirit energy (not his actual power level mind you, just his energy), it never gives anyone that big a power boost.
And yes he trained off-panel, exactly what is the problem with that when Ichigo's own training was focused on acquiring and learning how to use his mask rather than just training to get stronger? The answer is that there ISN'T a problem with that, other than this idiot's sheer incredulousness.
HM Bankai Ichigo level was the 2nd stage Fullbring you moron, Mastered Fullbring Ichigo is MUCH stronger than that.
Also Byakuya was completely trolling Tsukishima in shikai while, until he actually landed a hit on him.
Also also love how you're ignoring the Yammy fight where Byakuya flatout displays clear superiority to anything but FKT Ichigo.
Yes you're projecting hard we know because apparently you can't wrap your head around a pretty straight forward series when it comes to power level, simply make up your own mind on who is stronger than who and insult anyone who claims otherwise.
What else is new?
Once again, this is fucking rich coming from the guy who thinks R2 Ulquiorra can beat Aizen and Nimaiya.
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I didn't want to say anything about this thread... but I'll do so now:
JJK has literal pecking order like any other Shonen show, why would Kashimo have any issues with the Disaster Curses when he has shown ultimately far stronger abilities than they have? Doing what he did against Sukuna alone would put him above all of the Disaster Curses on the spot.
This is some fan-fiction tier shit to explain how and why Kashimo died to the Strong Cleave Net but Itadori and Yuta can survive Sukuna spamming Cleaves on them multiple times in an even stronger form.
Kashimo was still fighting that very same weakened Sukuna so none of that makes sense at all outside of Kashimo either doesn't have the Durability or Sukuna went harder on him for whatever reason(People need to stop wanking the shit out of Cleave/Dismantle/Malevolent Shrine, for pete sake) than Yuta and Yuji.
And at the same time, I find it extremely difficult to believe Yuta can cast a DE when Archer is literally all over his ass shooting arrows and going physical at a moment's notice, both way above Yuta's level to deal with.
If Iskandar using his RM against the Gigantic Horror only dragged the Horror itself into the Reality Marble and Archer only dragged in Shirou, Rin and Artoria and not Gilgamesh, Shinji, Cu or Kotomine who was also in the Einzbern Castle(or the Castle itself), why would it drag Yuta's DE with him? Again there's no evidence this should occur and yet Starsight is acting like that's evidence enough.
If Archer or any other Servant was desperate enough to do that, they would... that's the whole concept of a Broken Phantasm and why WOULDN'T IT break Yuta's DE? When has Yuta's DE dealt with a Reality Marble exploding within it? Again throwing out more questions without understanding that the absence of evidence =/= the evidence of absence.
It really is funny that he's still doing this fanfiction tier nonsense by pretending the DE will exist when we have seen DE's shatter like glass against other DE's(Like Gojo's Unlimited Void against Malevolent Shrine) but somehow, Yuta's DE will stand tall against a Reality Marble exploding, let alone Archer just throwing everything at it.
Saying Rule 13 because Technique Extinguishment should snuff out Projections is some extreme tier cope to even consider Noble Phantasms are the same as Cursed Tools in the first place, let alone be taken out by that(if Yuta even has the ability to begin with as there is ALOT of assumptions here).
Okay seriously, what the fuck is even happening anymore? Why are we pretending Technique Extinguishment can not only somehow work on Noble Phantasms(Until they don't), to attacks like True Name Release Balmung(until they can't) and then can somehow stop Reality Marble activations(Until they won't)? Starsight is so all over the place, it's insane anyone is giving him the time of day, let alone believing his or Nursery's arguments about Technique Extinguishment make any type of sense.
This is again especially ridiculous when again, Yuta has no idea of which sword contains which technique till he grabs it and that's if he even has Jacob's Ladder in the first place...
Pure fanfiction debating.
Uh wut? That's not at all how that works or is even remotely a suitable answer whatsoever...
Let's go at this in a different fashion: Servants can operate in low Microseconds to High Nanoseconds in terms of reactions, we have seen on many occasions(Especially in the Heaven's Feel movies) Servants being able to intercept other Servants despite being much further away and the Servant they are blocking are already in transit to attack their target.
In JJK, we only get that Jujutsu Sorcerors can primarily act within either a tenth or a hundredth of a second at best. How would Yuta be able to do ANYTHING, even build up Cursed Energy to use DE without instantly alerting Archer and keeping Yuta locked until he dies?
Because Shirou was overloading his NPs to do so... seems like Starsight has no idea that Shirou was spamming Broken Phantasms there.
...And it didn't drag in that Bounded Field, so why would it drag in a Domain?
Domain Expansions never create their own Dimensional Space or else it wouldn't be easy to break in from the outside in comparison to the inside! Secondly, Domain Expansions literally exist within the world itself and is extremely visible to the naked eye meanwhile a Reality Marble from the outside is impossible to see and you can only feel that it's there and you explicitly need ridiculous means to get inside of one. I don't know where the hell any of this shit comes from.
Wut?! You mean Bucephalus? Because Iskandar's Chariot is a separate Noble Phantasm from his Reality Marble... and so is Bucephalus. This is more ridiculous when this ignores the fact the entire point of EMIYA's Projections is because he's using a small scale version of his Reality Marble at all times, something we get in UBW and we see in F/Z when Iskandar can summon 1-3 footsoldiers atleast without needing to use his Reality Marble.
He's not even trying to understand what people are telling him:
The question isn't "Why Yuta's Domain won't come back with him" and more "Why would Yuta and Archer come back into his Domain when we have seen with Iskandar, he can literally move and drop people around when the Reality Marble is done?" Yuta's uses his DE(somehow), Archer uses his Reality Marble, he realizes what the DE is and just decides to move him and Yuta to the left by like half a mile and for some reason turns the Reality Marble off... why would Yuta's DE follow him?
The anime very much touches upon this too which is why EMIYA and even Shirou himself comes to this conclusion.
He's doing it explicitly to keep up because otherwise, Shirou's faster creation and sword movement would outmaneuver everything Gilgamesh can do with GoB, something he admits at the end of the fight:
And the truly funny part is that Shirou needed every single advantage because otherwise Gilgamesh would have killed him if he just regained his composure rather than continue losing it.
...It really feels like Starsight is losing his mind right now...
We know that DE's don't have any real ranges and only have their "sizes" inside(And we know that they are not that big because Sukuna's is only around 200 meters and is stated to be the biggest Domain... so this definitely feels like anime wanking the size) meanwhile, we know from both EMIYA's and Iskandar's RMs that they are absolutely ENORMOUS with seemingly no beginning or end to their size. Even Goetia's is only small if you are counting the Temple of Time(which is still pretty damn huge) and if you count the space itself, it's the equivalent of a Galaxy.
Just because Iskandar had to "get close to drag it", how does that change that every other Jujutsu Sorceror also needs to be close by for their DEs to catch who they want to catch? Or the fact that they can move people and things around and not stay in the same space?
I'm not even sure why he's using Tengen as an example as if Tengen isn't one of the strongest beings in the setting... none of this changes anything and honestly just makes DEs look even weaker.
Why would Archer drag in Yuta's DE in the first place? This is seriously becoming ridiculous.
"Domain Expansions aren't built on the space they are in... until we literally see they not only do but can even be interacted with on the outside" bro, I don't give a damn what Tengen said, that shit still operates within the same space of Reality or Yuta busting into Mahito's Domain with physical force shouldn't be possible(Nor seen as the best way to get someone out of a Doman Expansion.
Iskandar's Chariot is his Noble Phantasm, you idiot... and again, why would Yuta's DE be dragged in with Archer's Reality Marble when Bounded Fields nor any debris or otherwise cannot be? It's amazing Starsight is not answering any of these simple questions and continue acting as if he's made some grandiose point when he hasn't.
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