Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Proto234]

Although why is she "Rainbow" is quite weird too, why didnt they just use Beast Crest like Draco and name it Unknown.

Probably related to her mindset, for the most of LB7 she behaves less like she was in Olympus and more like real Olga.

It is still something to be seen for sure

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

The Class is the strongest evidence here. Her Class isn't Beast. But according to Lucain, because Class effect such as Lancer lose to Saber isn't real canon, that means Class isn't "important".

That or FGO's system is wholly different than the other Grail Systems?(Something that has been true since any Grail System outside of Fuyuki's?) Or the fact that it's gameplay and outside of referencing it a few times in the past, it doesn't really matter in canon? I know it depends on the person but it's ultimately a worthless affair that doesn't defeat the point of what happened to U-Olga Marie.

So he is saying Artoria isn't Saber. Cu isn;t Lancer. Because their class are that in the Game too.

That's only in the most base of terms that Artoria isn't Saber or Cu isn't Lancer, they are Heroic Spirits put in limited Classes that does not reflect their entire legend or even their person at large. Lancer Artoria isn't the same as Saber Artoria and Cu isn't the same as his Caster Counterpart, Setanta or his Altered Berserker self.
That does not or will not matter in comparison to the situation with U-Olga.

Although why is she "Rainbow" is quite weird too, why didnt they just use Beast Crest like Draco and name it Unknown.

Probably related to her mindset, for the most of LB7 she behaves less like she was in Olympus and more like real Olga.

It is still something to be seen for sure

Because that's the point of a mystery, my dudes... we know that U-Olga has a Noble Phantasm but it's liked in a way that you can never see it even with hacks. All we know is that she has a "Rainbow" Classification once she gets amnesia, she's Beast VII in Olympus but curiously, she isn't Beast VII in LB7 even before she lost consciousness:

The ambiguity even carries over to the HUD when she is finally fought. While she is recognized by Chaldea's systems as Beast VII and has the Beast Class icon as she should, the Beast icon usually has one of its seven dots filled in to denote which Beast it is — but U-Olga Marie's Beast dots are all empty. When she becomes amnesiac, the Beast icon is completely dropped for a rainbow-colored question mark, something never seen in the game before, as though the Beast side is no longer present or in control. Even after she gets her memories back, she stays in this unknown class.

U-Olga Marie

U-Olga Marie (Ｕ－オルガマリー??), also known as the Alien God (異星の神, Isei no Kami??), is the main antagonist of Cosmos in the Lostbelt. It is the unknown entity who resurrected Crypters, bleached the world and set up the competition between Lostbelts, with the winner supposedly inheriting Human Order...

fategrandorder.fandom.com

She doesn't even have a Nega-Skill or Authority of The Beast which are MUSTS for any Beast but she has Defender of Humanity... and again, this is when you fight her in LB7.

So yeah, this is really a pointless thing Lucain is being in but SB boys never know when to quit when obvious information comes in and debunks their point.

 

[Proto234]

That or FGO's system is wholly different than the other Grail Systems?(Something that has been true since any Grail System outside of Fuyuki's?) Or the fact that it's gameplay and outside of referencing it a few times in the past, it doesn't really matter in canon? I know it depends on the person but it's ultimately a worthless affair that doesn't defeat the point of what happened to U-Olga Marie.



That's only in the most base of terms that Artoria isn't Saber or Cu isn't Lancer, they are Heroic Spirits put in limited Classes that does not reflect their entire legend or even their person at large. Lancer Artoria isn't the same as Saber Artoria and Cu isn't the same as his Caster Counterpart, Setanta or his Altered Berserker self.
That does not or will not matter in comparison to the situation with U-Olga.




Because that's the point of a mystery, my dudes... we know that U-Olga has a Noble Phantasm but it's liked in a way that you can never see it even with hacks. All we know is that she has a "Rainbow" Classification once she gets amnesia, she's Beast VII in Olympus but curiously, she isn't Beast VII in LB7 even before she lost consciousness:

U-Olga Marie

U-Olga Marie (Ｕ－オルガマリー??), also known as the Alien God (異星の神, Isei no Kami??), is the main antagonist of Cosmos in the Lostbelt. It is the unknown entity who resurrected Crypters, bleached the world and set up the competition between Lostbelts, with the winner supposedly inheriting Human Order...

fategrandorder.fandom.com

She doesn't even have a Nega-Skill or Authority of The Beast which are MUSTS for any Beast but she has Defender of Humanity... and again, this is when you fight her in LB7.

So yeah, this is really a pointless thing Lucain is being in but SB boys never know when to quit when obvious information comes in and debunks their point.

Now that you mentioned it Salter also has it in her memorial quest.

 

[Salfarc]

That or FGO's system is wholly different than the other Grail Systems?(Something that has been true since any Grail System outside of Fuyuki's?) Or the fact that it's gameplay and outside of referencing it a few times in the past, it doesn't really matter in canon? I know it depends on the person but it's ultimately a worthless affair that doesn't defeat the point of what happened to U-Olga Marie.



That's only in the most base of terms that Artoria isn't Saber or Cu isn't Lancer, they are Heroic Spirits put in limited Classes that does not reflect their entire legend or even their person at large. Lancer Artoria isn't the same as Saber Artoria and Cu isn't the same as his Caster Counterpart, Setanta or his Altered Berserker self.
That does not or will not matter in comparison to the situation with U-Olga.

I am not sure what you mean by this as in, what are the connection. I don't think you get what I am saying.

I mention to Lucain that Olga's Class isn't Beast it's Unknown. Lucain replies with "Well Class isn't that important for the most part for canonity, class advantage doesn't exist in canon." So he is saying that Servant with their class in FGO isn't important...for the MOST part. To refute that part with Olga's Class is Unknown not Beast. Like he is saying Takeru in FGO being Saber is not Saber then. Nursery Rhyme being Caster in FGO isn't Caster then.

Olga's Class being Unknown means a lot in context, and Lucain is saying "Class don't matter" and so I point out that it means he is saying every single characters in the story don't have the class he is assign by that logic.

He is not talking about legend or heroic spirit itself. He is saying that Class don't matter to show what are the character's Class...See that contradiction?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Now that you mentioned it Salter also has it in her memorial quest.

Exactly, the only other person who had that is Solomon's Boss Battle before he becomes Goetia in the other Memorial Event but no one knows why he has that...

I am not sure what you mean by this as in, what are the connection. I don't think you get what I am saying.

Because you aren't paying attention again... my point is that U-Olga isn't Beast VII and only has the energy levels of a Beast and even that vanishes once she loses her memories. It's even the case for E-Olga Marie despite having all the reason in the World of being Beast VII and she is still just a Beast with no number, no Nega Skill nor an Authority of a Beast which are hallmarks of a Beast and what a Beast should have by DEFAULT.

I mention to Lucain that Olga's Class isn't Beast it's Unknown. Lucain replies with "Well Class isn't that important for the most part for canonity, class advantage doesn't exist in canon." So he is saying that Servant with their class in FGO isn't important...for the MOST part. To refute that part with Olga's Class is Unknown not Beast. Like he is saying Takeru in FGO being Saber is not Saber then. Nursery Rhyme being Caster in FGO isn't Caster then.

Olga's Class being Unknown means a lot in context, and Lucain is saying "Class don't matter" and so I point out that it means he is saying every single characters in the story don't have the class he is assign by that logic.

He is not talking about legend or heroic spirit itself. He is saying that Class don't matter to show what are the character's Class...See that contradiction?

Bro, you keep going on and on about what Lucain says again and again and you wonder why your arguments with him never ceases...

Like I don't give a fuck about Lucain's "contradictions" because they don't matter at the point at hand! The whole point of this is that U-Olga Marie is Beast VII and the answer to that is no, she isn't. She is a conduit to the true Beast VII, the Foreign World CHALDEAS and otherwise is not a Beast in and of itself. That's the answer to that question and everything else points to that question.

You keep falling into the same shit SB always does which is moving the goalposts constantly, stay on track dude.

 

[Proto234]

I am not sure what you mean by this as in, what are the connection. I don't think you get what I am saying.

I mention to Lucain that Olga's Class isn't Beast it's Unknown. Lucain replies with "Well Class isn't that important for the most part for canonity, class advantage doesn't exist in canon." So he is saying that Servant with their class in FGO isn't important...for the MOST part. To refute that part with Olga's Class is Unknown not Beast. Like he is saying Takeru in FGO being Saber is not Saber then. Nursery Rhyme being Caster in FGO isn't Caster then.

Olga's Class being Unknown means a lot in context, and Lucain is saying "Class don't matter" and so I point out that it means he is saying every single characters in the story don't have the class he is assign by that logic.

He is not talking about legend or heroic spirit itself. He is saying that Class don't matter to show what are the character's Class...See that contradiction?

Tbf, i think he said that class doesn't matter because most of part 2 bosses are not servants but rather living version of them (or in case of LB6 end bosses, disasters minus Oberon), which is true

Unfortunately for Lucain, as an Apostle Olga is servant so his point is moot regardless

 

[Salfarc]

"JJK Regeneration will outdone Gae Bolg"

You keep falling into the same shit SB always does which is moving the goalposts constantly, stay on track dude.

This is thread for humiliatting arguments, the "goalpost" here is the posted argument. You really don't want to admit you misunderstand something. Lucain's argument is embarassing and humiliating himself because of that contradiction. I am criticizing that argument and wanna share with all of you.

It would be different if we are in that thread of Yaldabaoth itself, then what you say will fit. And tbh the thread isn't even about Olga being Beast or not.

Tbf, i think he said that class doesn't matter because most of part 2 bosses are not servants but rather living version of them (or in case of LB6 end bosses, disasters minus Oberon), which is true

Unfortunately for Lucain, as an Apostle Olga is servant so his point is moot regardless

Exactly Olga is a Servant. So saying it doesn't matter is like saying Karna having Lancer means he isn't Lancer. See that contradiction?

 

[Proto234]

Exactly Olga is a Servant. So saying it doesn't matter is like saying Karna having Lancer means he isn't Lancer. See that contradiction?

In that case, you should tell Lucain that exceptions being made for most LB bosses

 

[Paxton]

 

[Salfarc]

Avalon's healing is worth a hundred years of energy? Because Rin replaces Shirou's heart with far less energy than that and beats Gae Bolg's curse. Avalon's healing feats are also frankly pathetic compared to RCT, which regenerates entire limbs in an instant.

Half a minute is incredibly long when it'll take less than a second for Authentic Mutual Love to kill Archer with sure-hit Cleaves. Yuta can likely survive for several minutes at least just with RCT, even assuming he can't regenerate his pierced heart by simply beating out the curse, and since the fight is to the death, once Archer is dead, Yuta wins even if he'll die later.

And this still ignores that Archer has never shown that he would use Gae Bolg's thrust in character, and doesn't even have feats to suggest that he could do it considering that the thrust is a Noble Phantasm bordering on the level of an Authority and UBW doesn't have the feats to copy that.

This is honestly the first time I see someone say Avalon's healing is pathetic ngl.

 

[Paxton]

 

[Randomdude]

Nope, Magecraft explicitly can't work against him either and Yggdrasil's systems was made by human hands and thus, no, nothing in Overlord outside of Wild Magic would do shit to Alcides. I highly doubt anyone can hurt Alcides in Overlord because they was made by human hands before "becoming real".

Not touching any of this fate nonsense but there is an argument to be made that since it was seemingly wild magic that made the yggdrassil items/players/teired system real it might not count as being made by human hands. Though this whole area is rather foggy in overlords lore.

I always took it as the system was designed by humans, then the dragon lords not understanding exactly what they were doing warped the fabric of reality and made them real, subsquently creating entities/items that outstripped their own magic system in power. (Basically big monkies paw situation, want powerful items, accidentally create a bunch of shit you can't control/your magic system can't beat that will slowly undermine and replace the system that created it)

 

[Masterblack06]

Stop acting like absolute clowns

 

[King]

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[Randomdude]

So.... considering how toxic this is...Time for a random overlord fact. In overlord there is a feature that lowers your damage against entities of a higher level, This is outside stat differences/defenses/resistances. Saying that this feature has been mentioned twice in sixteen books.

There are also creatures/classes/abilities that seemingly totally ignore this fundamental feature, but it's also not universal to "Strong" or "powerful" monsters.

You'd expect dragons/dragon lords to have this feature but from what we're told in the evileye side story thats not the case. If cure elim (A level 95 undead dragon lord) ever actually got into a position to harm ainz his damage would have been nerfed due to being five levels lower. This is inspite of the fact he has very high stats due to being a dragon.

This is even stranger when you consider that ainz can summon creatures with the level difference bypassing feature. Most notably a doom lord explicitly can ignore the normal damage reduction applied by differences in levels. Which is why it did so well against platinum dragon lords armor in volume 14, Not only could it boost it's already very high stats for it's level to make up the difference but the normal damage reduction wasn't applied.

 

[Crimson Dragoon]

Megatron vs Boros

1. The combatants that are fighting. (obviously) Megatron and Boros 2. The Location or Setting of the contest. (an open field, a football stadium, the vacuum of space) The moon 3. Victory Conditions (is the battle to the death? Knockout? Rendering the opponent incapable of continuing? 'Ring Out'...

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Reminder Boros is a loser that needs to use up all his energy to wreck the planet while in his strongest form, but UT Megatron can do that just as a side-effect from fighting another powerful opponent as noted in both the original Japanese and the dub

 

[Crimson Dragoon]

aside that secondary canon stuff you posted

you didnt mention, the actual power level of opm top tiers

headcanontama cant defeat this unique and legit cosmic ftl mosquito, that means, ftl mosquito > saitama >>>> sub normal mosquito level fp boros = even bayland megatron solos

good game

The true god tier of OPM

 

[Blade]

you know, if sb really wants to play this game with tf, they better raise the vol with the likes of golden megatron, golden megatron vs composite opm verse, let them use all of their madeupstats.net info






















it still ends with golden megatron, winning in oneshot at 2% of his power, never forget, golden megatron = tf first arc elric levels

 

[Crimson Dragoon]

you know, if sb really wants to play this game with tf, they better raise the vol with the likes of golden megatron, golden megatron vs composite opm verse, let them use all of their madeupstats.net info






















it still ends with golden megatron, winning in oneshot at 2% of his power, never forget, golden megatron = tf first arc elric levels

Can they even beat Tornedron? ha

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

you know, if sb really wants to play this game with tf, they better raise the vol with the likes of golden megatron, golden megatron vs composite opm verse, let them use all of their madeupstats.net info






















it still ends with golden megatron, winning in oneshot at 2% of his power, never forget, golden megatron = tf first arc elric levels

Hey, maybe the Webnovel will allow Boros to gain even new heights in power...














Nah, he'll just be fodder for Genos' new level of power