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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

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Reishi

Reishi (霊子, Spirit Particles) is the main component material of Souls and all spiritual matter. Reishi composes the spiritual bodies of Souls, including Hollows and Shinigami, and everything in Hueco Mundo and Soul Society.[1][2][3] Reishi is invisible and intangible to mortals, with the...
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Like it's insane that people basically ignore that Ichigo's components of his SOUL was being poisoned yet that motherfucker walked it off far fucking better than Yourichi did despite her getting an ANTIDOTE to lessen the effects of DeathDealing prior to that.
 
Darth Zion said:
That being said, Blast and Empty Void can also solo Invincible as far as I know, so it's not just Saitama and Garou alone who can survive. Then there's God, of course.
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Gotta ask how?

Blast afaik is too slow and squishy for a bloodlusted high level viltrumite, and Empty Void isn't strong enough to even cut a viltrumites skin, he can only survive since he can't be touched.

And God isn't really even a character.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Blast afaik is too slow and squishy for a bloodlusted high level viltrumite, and Empty Void isn't strong enough to even cut a viltrumites skin, he can only survive since he can't be touched.
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Both have speed comparable to Garou and Saitama at the time of Serious Punch squared and enough space manipulation to outright ignore toughness.
Cryso Agori said:
And God isn't really even a character.
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He is- remember the giant standing on the moon, that's him. We just haven't seen him fight, but he's stronger than Garou at the very least.
 
Darth Zion said:
Both have speed comparable to Garou and Saitama at the time of Serious Punch squared and enough space manipulation to outright ignore toughness.
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Yeah but that only puts them at ftl. Viltrumites are mftl since they regularly travel thousands of lightyrs in weeks.

Empty Void's attack iirc don't actually ignore durability from what I remember, though I could be wrong.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Viltrumites are mftl since they regularly travel thousands of lightyrs in weeks.
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Using hyperspace?
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I don't see how that's combat relevant.
Cryso Agori said:
Empty Void's attack iirc don't actually ignore durability from what I remember, though I could be wrong.
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No, they cut through space itself. It's just Saitama who somehow resists all hax thrown against him, common trope in OPM.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Viltrumites can fight at hyperspace speeds seeing as how Mark and the others are intercepted by Conquest and other viltrumites while in deep space.
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That's just how relative velocity works.

That's why most spacecrafts in science fiction can engage each other at superluminal speeds despite having completely human pilots- it doesn't give those pilots FTL reactions or anything, because the enemy spacecraft is moving at normal speed from your perspective if you're also in hyperspace rather than MFTL as would be the case if measured from outside. As Einstein said, speed is completely relative.

In the same way, fighting someone in hyperspace when you're actually subliminal outside is not actually an MFTL combat speed feat. It's still travel speed.

Anyways, the main problem here is that Viltrumites have to achieve maximum speed and accelerate to LS before they start using hyperspace to go beyond that. The process is not instant- they are not typical shounen anime characters who can achieve maximum speed in zero time, and the gap between someone already FTL and someone below LS accelerating to that point is so huge that Blast and Empty Void would have entire days (years even, if we actually number crunch) from their perspective to end the fight.

If Viltrumites enter hyperspace then yeah, they wash OPM completely. But that's not gonna happen in a VS scenario where either Blast or Empty Void are remotely serious from the start.
 
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Xhominid The Apex said:
Don't even get me started with SB Nasuverse Fans lowballing Servants to extreme low levels just as much, if not moreso than the actual downplayers...



It's the actual base of Danny Phantom's feats that are utterly superior to Shaltear's without really needing to wank them or go into the BS "D&D" side of Overlord for Shaltear like Danny's insane degree of intangibility that we have seen even in the Ultimate Enemy with Dark Dan can literally infuse an item into someone's being to the point they can't even intangible it out of them.
It is weird we don't have a Danny Phantom Meta-Thread though for how ridiculous some of those feats in the series are...

You have to look at the mid end of Danny's feats in VSBW and that gets you Small Country+, MHS to FTL with atleast MCB for his overall range of effectiveness(though that again I'm not sure how far he can intangible objects or people)
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having watched the show and being a pretty huge Phan, I find a lot of the scaling around the series incredibly suspect tbh, Danny has one stated speed feat iirc and it’s 200mph and while training with Sam and Tucker. Intangibility wise in universe it gets countered by other echo entities and green metal.

Magic comes up like three times in series and ghost never do great against it, I can’t really think of any reason to suspect overlords magic bypassing integrity in verse wouldn’t translate to bypassing Danny phantom intang. Also wasn’t Danny unable to phase out the amulet due to it being in his core or something? I don’t really remember the logic but I don’t really see how being unable to phase it out translates to anti intangibility feats

Destruction wise one of his best feats was probably destroying Rome during his battle with vlad? Though they more blew up and set the place on fire then just blew it away.
 
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Wasn't this guy stabbed by mark's mother? Sukuna instantly murks him with a dismantle
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I always love when arguments like these come in because the people think they are being intelligent when they say this... and then completely ignore when something similar happens in their series and try and desperately shove it away because "reasons" rather than the most obvious part:

Mark has been consistently hurt by beings that should have zero reason to have hurt him despite being on the level above Anissa(who basically toyed the shit out of Mark in their "fight") after his training(even getting hurt by Reani-Men who couldn't even do any real damage to Nolan) meanwhile, you have the Invincible War that's full of SEASON 1-Tier Invincibles(I do love that people brought up that they should all scale to Season 3 Invincible which is... no... none of them trained at all unlike Mark did post-Anissa, why the fuck would they train at all?) basically not even getting scratched by heroes that could throw down with people who could hurt Mark.

Like you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to Angstrom Levy, especially after the shit Mark has done? Is well past Sukuna's ability to do anything to.
 

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Okay real shit, how many of the people in Spacebattles have ever seen a feat at this point? This is legit fucking embarrassing and I'm not even trying to act as if it's just me.


Like this by itself is meant to be something Siegfried can never deal with? The AP alone on this is fucking atrocious. I know ONE created One Punch Man and Mob Psycho but not every series is gonna have "god tier feats", you know that right guys?
The fact that they are saying that somehow Jachi is supersonic means he can somehow outspeed Karna with the equivalent of nothing is some of the saddest shit I have heard. Fate really is their whipping boy, just deny any feat ever done there and use any downplay attempt and just go nuts
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Mark has been consistently hurt by beings that should have zero reason to have hurt him despite being on the level above Anissa(who basically toyed the shit out of Mark in their "fight") after his training(even getting hurt by Reani-Men who couldn't even do any real damage to Nolan) meanwhile, you have the Invincible War that's full of SEASON 1-Tier Invincibles(I do love that people brought up that they should all scale to Season 3 Invincible which is... no... none of them trained at all unlike Mark did post-Anissa, why the fuck would they train at all?) basically not even getting scratched by heroes that could throw down with people who could hurt Mark.
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Not so sure this is true.

Omni-Mark killed Nolan, who canon Mark still isn't at the level of, and Sinister Mark was considered the strongest of the evil Marks.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Not so sure this is true.

Omni-Mark killed Nolan, who canon Mark still isn't at the level of, and Sinister Mark was considered the strongest of the evil Marks.
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Unless we got explicit proof that Omni-Mark killed Nolan in a head to head fight or the circumstances of that fight, I will never believe that considering how Nolan is utterly above the shit out of Mark in their "fight" and Sinister mark being considered the strongest is again requires actual reasoning and proof to it.

Remember, we had Powerplex kill one of the Evil Invincible so again, hard to really agree.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
Unless we got explicit proof that Omni-Mark killed Nolan in a head to head fight or the circumstances of that fight, I will never believe that considering how Nolan is utterly above the shit out of Mark in their "fight"
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agree but
Xhominid The Apex said:
and Sinister mark being considered the strongest is again requires actual reasoning and proof to it.
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Sinister Mark managed to kill the rest of the invincibles to eat them, Mohawk Mark only helped him kill one before running away iirc.
Xhominid The Apex said:
Remember, we had Powerplex kill one of the Evil Invincible so again, hard to really agree.
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Well we already know from Cecil that the Mark's had a large disparity of power from being killed by reanimen to possibly being stronger than canon mark.
 
Cryso Agori said:
agree but

Sinister Mark managed to kill the rest of the invincibles to eat them, Mohawk Mark only helped him kill one before running away iirc.

Well we already know from Cecil that the Mark's had a large disparity of power from being killed by reanimen to possibly being stronger than canon mark.
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I'm only stating such because while Viltrumites are basically Saiyans, they don't really get stupid strong with Zenkais like Saiyans and only get stronger with age and actual grueling training. It's why I don't believe one of the Invincibles could have ever killed Nolan in an even fight without pretty much running over even Season 3 Mark in a fight.
I can also understand with Sinister Mark but again, it's hard to tell how that actually happened unless it was onscreen entirely.
Okay that last part doesn't even make sense, huh?! If that was the case, then why Canon Mark didn't get stupid powerful when Battle Beast nearly killed him?!
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
I'm only stating such because while Viltrumites are basically Saiyans, they don't really get stupid strong with Zenkais like Saiyans and only get stronger with age and actual grueling training. It's why I don't believe one of the Invincibles could have ever killed Nolan in an even fight without pretty much running over even Season 3 Mark in a fight.
I can also understand with Sinister Mark but again, it's hard to tell how that actually happened unless it was onscreen entirely.
Okay that last part doesn't even make sense, huh?! If that was the case, then why Canon Mark didn't get stupid powerful when Battle Beast nearly killed him?!
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I think your confusing Viltrumites with Allen lmao.

They get stronger the more they age and train yeah, but they don't get power boosts by being on near death and coming back.

That's Allen's shtick.
 
Cryso Agori said:
I think your confusing Viltrumites with Allen lmao.

They get stronger the more they age and train yeah, but they don't get power boosts by being on near death and coming back.

That's Allen's shtick.
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But you said Cecil stated one of the Marks getting their asses kicked by the Reani-Men somehow put him potentially above Season 3 Mark which is... what?
But yeah, you are right in that is Allen's schtick and Viltrumites just gets stronger with training, combat(provided they get injured) and age.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
But you said Cecil stated one of the Marks getting their asses kicked by the Reani-Men somehow put him potentially above Season 3 Mark which is... what?
But yeah, you are right in that is Allen's schtick and Viltrumites just gets stronger with training, combat(provided they get injured) and age.
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He meant one of them got killed by Reanimen while a different one was stronger than Mark. The different Marks have a wildly disparate power level
 
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