A reminder that the strongest punch from the strongest Saitama that ended Cosmic Garou’s career barely kicked up loose gravel and only 2-3 feats in the fight total out of dozens to hundreds of attacks thrown on panel displayed meaningful collateral
Fictions weird like that. You can name thousands of examples where a character who can tank a planet exploding yet get hurt from being slammed into a building without the building collapsingI mean, you can see the damage done lol. The walls don't even fully shatter. It doesn't really matter to me why Saiyans get consistently bad physicals, they just do. Ch. 77 of DBS is no exception.
Sure, I guess. I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing. Listing a lot of scans isn't an argument and frankly has very little to do with why I believe what I believe. If we were just going to sit around and list every scan where an Uchiha does something more impressive than Taro we'd be listing every scan in Naruto involving the Uchiha, because Taro literally doesn't do anything on-screen.You can name thousands of examples where a character who can tank a planet exploding yet get hurt from being slammed into a building
Trying to say something is weak because we dont see a lot of damage is hot garbage dog, no matter how you try to twist it.Sure, I guess. I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing. Listing a lot of scans isn't an argument and frankly has very little to do with why I believe what I believe. If we were just going to sit around and list every scan where an Uchiha does something more impressive than Taro we'd be listing every scan in Naruto involving the Uchiha, because Taro literally doesn't do anything on-screen.
Or very simple. You can provide a scan that beats the moon busting fodder Taro took out. Especially since my argument is that Taro can counter Genjutsu from the huge power difference the moment he flairs up his KiSure, I guess. I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing. Listing a lot of scans isn't an argument and frankly has very little to do with why I believe what I believe. If we were just going to sit around and list every scan where an Uchiha does something more impressive than Taro we'd be listing every scan in Naruto involving the Uchiha, because Taro literally doesn't do anything on-screen.
I don't agree with the premise, lol. I agree Taro could bust the Moon. I also don't think the Uchiha can bust the Moon. I still think the Uchiha are stronger than Taro. I'm not like, "arguing" here. If you want to know why I think this I've written probably literally tens of thousands of words on the topic already and I don't care to write thousands more in an extremely hostile environment wherein I'm sure about 1% of its users could understand what I'm talking about anyways (and if they did, they'd complain it's too long). If you can explain to me what you think I believe and why I believe it I would be willing to engage here, because this would at least demonstrate I don't have to overcome the initial gap of "I think tiers are fake and not all fiction should be held to the same standard".You can provide a scan that beats the moon busting fodder Taro took out.
Sure, I guess. I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing. Listing a lot of scans isn't an argument and frankly has very little to do with why I believe what I believe. If we were just going to sit around and list every scan where an Uchiha does something more impressive than Taro we'd be listing every scan in Naruto involving the Uchiha, because Taro literally doesn't do anything on-screen.
I don't agree with the premise, lol. I agree Taro could bust the Moon. I also don't think the Uchiha can bust the Moon. I still think the Uchiha are stronger than Taro. I'm not like, "arguing" here. If you want to know why I think this I've written probably literally tens of thousands of words on the topic already and I don't care to write thousands more in an extremely hostile environment wherein I'm sure about 1% of its users could understand what I'm talking about anyways (and if they did, they'd complain it's too long). If you can explain to me what you think I believe and why I believe it I would be willing to engage here, because this would at least demonstrate I don't have to overcome the initial gap of "I think tiers are fake and not all fiction should be held to the same standard".
I mean, I’ve been been pretty civil with you. Also, I don’t see how they’re stronger than Taro. Ki is everything from not just energy blasts to physical strength.I don't agree with the premise, lol. I agree Taro could bust the Moon. I also don't think the Uchiha can bust the Moon. I still think the Uchiha are stronger than Taro. I'm not like, "arguing" here. If you want to know why I think this I've written probably literally tens of thousands of words on the topic already and I don't care to write thousands more in an extremely hostile environment wherein I'm sure about 1% of its users could understand what I'm talking about anyways
i at least cant speak on OPM, i am saying virtually no fictional series is 100% consistent to real life, that physics is changed or ignored to suit the story being told, and this happens everywhere, and most importantly harping on collateral damage doesn't invalidate characters other feats (and yes, one shot instakilling a dude who can blow up the moon under his own power is a feat), it just ends up looking hilariously desperateI don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing.
Fiction doesn’t have rulesSure, I guess. I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing. Listing a lot of scans isn't an argument and frankly has very little to do with why I believe what I believe. If we were just going to sit around and list every scan where an Uchiha does something more impressive than Taro we'd be listing every scan in Naruto involving the Uchiha, because Taro literally doesn't do anything on-screen.
destroying Planets and Stars and outwardly disrupting Reality... but they chose not to because it would be too much
Sure, this also has nothing to do with my argument. I believe that Saitama can destroy Jupiter in spite of the finishing blow on Garou, and I believe Taro would die if he was kicked through several buildings in spite of what he does to the Moon. I also believe Superman can move planets in spite of what he sometimes does to planes, and I think Hulk could sometimes be killed by nukes in spite of what he does to planets. I think all of these stories tell different things and work on different rules, so pointing out "well by your logic X thing is actually Y" just kinda bounces off of me.i am saying virtually no fictional series is 100% consistent to real life
No, we don't. No more than like, literary journals have to establish rules for literary analysis. I think different things are true for different stories because different people make them and have different things to say and different beliefs about the world. I think attempting to put rules on this is impossible and leads to the aforementioned inflexible stagnation and, worst, just obviously wrong conclusions.That’s not the issue, because to play this game we need to establish rules.
There’s a bunch of “I think” going on and that’s awfully silly for a guy fixated on the differences between authors. You enjoy speculating on their intent, which is neat, but when you lack the objective clarity of it? All it becomes is a reflection of your own personal bias.No, we don't. No more than like, literary journals have to establish rules for literary analysis. I think different things are true for different stories because different people make them and have different things to say and different beliefs about the world. I think attempting to put rules on this is impossible and leads to the aforementioned inflexible stagnation and, worst, just obviously wrong conclusions.
i at least cant speak on OPM, i am saying virtually no fictional series is 100% consistent to real life, that physics is changed or ignored to suit the story being told, and this happens everywhere, and most importantly harping on collateral damage doesn't invalidate characters other feats (and yes, one shot instakilling a dude who can blow up the moon under his own power is a feat), it just ends up looking hilariously desperate
This is 100% Doublespeak and basically ignoring dead ass what you are talking about so he can still try and make his point about Dragonball while keeping One Punch Man where he believes it is...I don't think "fiction" has rules like this, though, and I think this inflexibility is why you and Chaos and grill perceive "well OPM also isn't 100% consistent" as being an argument at all as opposed to just like, gesturing and handwringing.
Funny enough, that's how we(the entire VS. Debates/Powerscaling Community) have to be and that's what Spacebattles fails to be. You have to understand that narrative matters just as much, if not moreso on why a feat matters and you shouldn't slap it out unless it's an unequivocal outlier. You can't ignore what Kirkbride has put into The Elder Scrolls because "lolMedieval Weaponry" and "Game Engine issues" anymore than you can try and point out that "One Punch Man" is more consistent and then ignore the times Saitama isn't killing people with his shockwaves or can take hours to get across a city but can move FTL.i will clarify at least personally im more of a narrative scaling guy if you want to demonstrate characters arent as strong as claimed i think they should be founded in those estimates going against the story as we are shown, but people doing the pointing wojak meme every time planet busters dont kill all of humanity every time they fight is not remotely that
You can practically find it anywhere based on the movie Dragonball Super: Broly as it's in it's novelization and the animator interview.Link?
You mean in the same fashion they did with SSJG Goku and Beerus? Or because of the fact it would ultimately just be a ridiculous spectacle that wouldn't look right no matter how well they did it considering how it came off in the movie?Don't you think the animators considering this and then going "nevermind, that's too crazy" just indicates that like, they actually don't think Gogeta can fly around and bust planets and stuff lol. What would be crazy about it if not the scale?
I mean, the easy reply here is that this is projection borne out of your own lack of empathy, but also uhhhh, I don't believe you lol.inference of a real person you’ve never met is a laughable extrapolation to make. Arrogant even.
Uh, well, I can't. So, I'd like the link, since it's apparently so easy?You can practically find it anywhere based on the movie Dragonball Super: Broly as it's in it's novelization and the animator interview.
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