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King of time said:
Danmachi Weak as shit
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At least they are strong and faster than Overlord.

### Comprehensive Analysis of Power and Speed in DanMachi with Corrected Context

### Power Feats

#### Bell Cranel

1. Building Durability:
- Feat: Level 3 Bell was smashed through multiple buildings by Asterius but only suffered from inhaling dust.
- Implication: Demonstrates Bell's significant durability and resilience, showing his capacity to withstand powerful physical impacts without severe injury.

2. Weapon Breakage:
- Feat: Bell’s normal blade shattered against a Silverback's fur, which can break steel.
- Implication: Highlights the enhanced physical properties of both adventurers and monsters, necessitating the use of stronger materials like Adamantite for effective weaponry.

3. Environmental Damage:
- Feat: Bell's charged Firebolt destroyed the upper half of a fortress and continued into the sky, demonstrating significant destructive power.
- Implication: Shows Bell’s magic can cause massive structural damage, indicating a high level of offensive capability.

4. Durability:
- Feat: Level 5 Bell fell from hundreds of meters in the sky without a scratch.
- Implication: Further showcases Bell’s enhanced durability and potential for mitigating fall damage.

#### Ais Wallenstein

1. Sword Strikes:
- Feat: At Level 5, Ais can execute 20 sword strikes in ½ second.
- Implication: Highlights her incredible speed and precision in combat, even when not at full strength.

2. Environmental Impact:
- Feat: Ais can cause significant damage to the environment with her sword strikes, often breaking through structures with ease.
- Implication: Demonstrates her high level of physical strength and combat effectiveness.

#### Ottar

1. Shockwave Destruction:
- Feat: Ottar can kill monsters on par with a 2nd Tier adventurer with only the shockwave from his sword.
- Implication: Indicates immense strength and the ability to generate powerful shockwaves through physical attacks.

2. Strength:
- Feat: Ottar can break pure adamantite, which is harder than diamond, with his physical strength.
- Implication: Demonstrates his exceptional physical power, placing him at the top tier of adventurers.

3. City-Wide Earthquakes:
- Feat: Level 7 Ottar’s swings cause earthquakes across a battlefield with a 5-kilometer perimeter.
- Implication: Illustrates the scale of his power, capable of affecting large areas and causing widespread destruction.

### Speed Feats

#### Bell Cranel

1. Supersonic Movement:
- Feat: At Level 4 and above, Bell demonstrates supersonic speed, particularly when evading or chasing opponents at speeds faster than Mach 1.
- Implication: Indicates his capability to move and react at speeds exceeding the speed of sound.

2. Reaction Time:
- Feat: Bell perceives his surroundings in slow motion during high-speed movements.
- Implication: Enhances his ability to react and adapt during combat, showing extraordinary reflexes.

3. Combat Reflexes:
- Feat: Bell’s quick reflexes allow him to dodge and counter attacks from fast-moving enemies.
- Implication: His agility stat, which influences his speed, is consistently high, contributing to his effectiveness in battle.

#### Ais Wallenstein

1. Near-Instantaneous Movement:
- Feat: During a fight, Ais closed the distance between her and Ryu in 1/1000 of a second.
- Implication: Demonstrates near-instantaneous movement, making her one of the fastest characters in the series.

2. Combat Speed:
- Feat: Ais can strike multiple times in quick succession, overwhelming opponents with her speed.
- Implication: Her combat speed is extremely high, allowing her to dominate in battles.

#### General Speed Feats

1. Level 4+ Speed:
- Feat: At Level 4 and above, milliseconds are the deciding factors in fights, indicating combat speeds that are extremely fast and precise.
- Implication: High-level adventurers possess speeds that make milliseconds critical in battle, highlighting their advanced reflexes and agility.

2. High-Level Physical Builds:
- Feat: Level 6 adventurers can break pure adamantite, and at peak Level 6 and above, their fights can cause city-wide earthquakes.
- Implication: Demonstrates both the physical power and the speed at which they can deliver these powerful attacks.

### Conclusion

Power Level:
  • Bell Cranel: Shows incredible resilience, rapid growth, and significant magical and physical power, scaling from multi-building level durability to city-level potential with future growth.
  • Ais Wallenstein: Demonstrates high-speed combat capabilities and powerful swordsmanship, scaling to city-level destructive capacity in high-intensity battles.
  • Ottar: Exhibits immense strength and the ability to generate destructive shockwaves, placing him at the top tier of physical power.
  • Other Characters: Display a wide range of abilities from high-speed movement to advanced magical prowess and country-level destructive potential.

Speed Level:
  • Bell Cranel: Supersonic speeds, with quick reflexes and agility improving as he levels up.
  • Ais Wallenstein: Near-instantaneous movement and exceptional combat speed, making her one of the fastest adventurers.
  • General High-Level Adventurers: At Level 4 and above, possess speeds where milliseconds are critical, showcasing advanced reflexes and high-speed capabilities.

These detailed feats and abilities provide a comprehensive understanding of the power and speed levels of key characters in DanMachi, highlighting their exceptional capabilities within the series’ universe.
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### Detailed Analysis of Ryu Lion and Ais Wallenstein's Power and Speed Feats in DanMachi

Context: This analysis dives deeper into the high-level combat feats and abilities exhibited by Ryu Lion and Ais Wallenstein, focusing on specific encounters that highlight their exceptional speed, precision, and power.

### Power and Speed Feats

#### Ryu Lion

1. Feint and Movement Precision:
- Feat: During the fight against Ais in Volume 10, Chapter 3, Ryu, at Level 5 with Haruhime’s level boost, made hundreds of feints by slightly moving her hands, legs, and changing her running speed right before swinging.
- Implication: This showcases her masterful tactical combat abilities and the incredible precision and control she has over her body movements. The ability to execute hundreds of feints in rapid succession highlights her advanced combat skills and reaction time.

2. Speed of Sound Movement:
- Feat: Ryu’s movement and fighting style, boosted by Haruhime’s magic, allow her to move at the speed of sound.
- Implication: Moving at the speed of sound (Mach 1, approximately 343 meters per second) indicates that her attacks and movements in combat are incredibly fast, making it difficult for opponents to track and react to her actions.

3. Perception and Reaction Time:
- Feat: Ryu can perceive movements at a 100,000th of a second at her highest and react to movements in as little as 1/3370th of a second, and even as low as 1/10th of a millisecond.
- Implication: This level of perception and reaction time is extraordinary, allowing her to react to attacks almost instantaneously. It means she can process and respond to stimuli faster than the blink of an eye, showcasing her superior sensory and neural processing capabilities.

4. Concrete Displacement:
- Feat: In Sword Oratoria manga Chapter 86, Ryu's sheer running force caused concrete to fly.
- Implication: This illustrates her physical strength and the powerful impact of her movements, even without direct attacks. The ability to displace solid materials like concrete through movement alone demonstrates the intensity and force behind her actions.

#### Ais Wallenstein

1. Speed and Combat Reflexes:
- Feat: During the fight with Ryu, Ais launched herself at a speed where she could only be seen in three frames: standing, crouching, and dashing forward, all within less than a millisecond.
- Implication: This indicates that Ais's movement speed during this attack is extremely high, potentially surpassing the speed of sound. The ability to move so quickly that she appears in only three distinct positions within a millisecond highlights her extraordinary agility and speed.

2. Dual Wield Attack:
- Feat: Ais defeated Ryu using a dual wield attack with her sword and sheath, hitting Ryu so hard that she passed out from the pain.
- Implication: This showcases Ais's combat versatility and her ability to deliver powerful, precise strikes. The fact that Ryu, a high-level adventurer, was incapacitated by the force of Ais's attack speaks to Ais's immense physical power and technique.

3. High-Speed Combat Enjoyment:
- Feat: Despite the high-speed, intense combat, Ais was enjoying the fight and not going all out.
- Implication: This indicates that Ais has a higher potential ceiling for her abilities and that she can push herself further when necessary. Her enjoyment and ease in such a high-level battle demonstrate her confidence and skill.

### Calculations and Comparisons

#### Speed Calculations

1. Ais’s Speed During Fight:
- Frame Analysis: If Ais moves within three frames in less than a millisecond, we can approximate her speed:
- Speed Calculation: 1 millisecond = 1/1000 second.
- Distance: Assuming a short combat distance of 1 meter for simplicity.
- Speed: \( \text{Speed} = \frac{\text{Distance}}{\text{Time}} = \frac{1 \text{ meter}}{0.001 \text{ second}} = 1000 \text{ meters per second} \).
- Mach Conversion: Speed of sound = 343 meters per second. Thus, 1000 meters per second / 343 meters per second ≈ Mach 2.92.

2. Ryu’s Reaction Time:
- Perception Time: Reacting to movements in as little as 1/3370th of a second.
- Speed Calculation: 1/3370 second ≈ 0.0002967 seconds.
- Distance: If she perceives a movement over a typical combat distance of 1 meter.
- Speed: \( \text{Speed} = \frac{\text{Distance}}{\text{Time}} = \frac{1 \text{ meter}}{0.0002967 \text{ seconds}} \approx 3369.88 \text{ meters per second} \).
- Mach Conversion: 3369.88 meters per second / 343 meters per second ≈ Mach 9.83.

### Conclusion

#### Power and Speed Levels

- Ryu Lion:
- Power: Ryu's tactical mastery, enhanced physical strength, and ability to displace concrete with her movements highlight her exceptional combat capabilities.
- Speed: With the ability to perceive and react at 1/3370th of a second and move at speeds up to Mach 9.83, Ryu demonstrates extreme agility and speed.

- Ais Wallenstein:
- Power: Ais's powerful dual wield attacks and ability to defeat high-level opponents like Ryu with precision and force showcase her immense strength and combat skill.
- Speed: Ais's ability to move at speeds where she appears in only three frames within a millisecond translates to speeds around Mach 2.92, indicating her high-speed combat proficiency.

These detailed calculations and analyses provide a comprehensive understanding of the power and speed feats of key characters in DanMachi, highlighting their exceptional capabilities within the series’ universe.
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### Comprehensive Power and Speed Levels in DanMachi

To understand the overall strength and speed in DanMachi, let's categorize the characters into low tiers, mid tiers, top tiers, and god tiers, and analyze their destructive capacity/attack potency and speed.

### Low Tiers (Level 1-2)

#### Destructive Capacity/Attack Potency
- Level 1 Adventurers: Comparable to superhumans, capable of outperforming Olympic athletes. Their attacks can break steel and cause significant damage to the environment.
- Example: Bell Cranel at Level 1 breaking a Silverback’s weapon.

- Level 2 Adventurers: Enhanced strength and combat skills. Can break through tough materials like stone and cause minor environmental damage.
- Example: Lili at Level 2 can easily jump over a two-story building, indicating enhanced physical abilities.

#### Speed
- Level 1 Adventurers: Enhanced speed and agility, can dodge projectiles like arrows.
- Speed Estimate: Subsonic to supersonic (~Mach 0.5 to Mach 1).

- Level 2 Adventurers: Faster reaction times and movement speeds, capable of keeping up with higher-level foes to some extent.
- Speed Estimate: Supersonic (~Mach 1).

### Mid Tiers (Level 3-4)

#### Destructive Capacity/Attack Potency
- Level 3 Adventurers: Capable of causing significant damage to structures, creating large craters, and defeating mid-tier monsters.
- Example: Bell Cranel at Level 3 with charged Firebolt destroying the upper half of a fortress.

- Level 4 Adventurers: Significantly stronger, able to break through tough materials like Adamantite and defeat larger, more powerful monsters.
- Example: Ryuu Lion at Level 4 causing concrete to fly with her movements.

#### Speed
- Level 3 Adventurers: Increased combat speed and reaction times, able to dodge and counter high-speed attacks.
- Speed Estimate: Supersonic to high supersonic (~Mach 1 to Mach 2).

- Level 4 Adventurers: Exceptional speed and agility, capable of perceiving and reacting to movements in milliseconds.
- Speed Estimate: High supersonic to hypersonic (~Mach 2 to Mach 5).

### Top Tiers (Level 5-6)

#### Destructive Capacity/Attack Potency
- Level 5 Adventurers: Can cause city-block level destruction, defeat top-tier monsters, and perform feats with significant environmental impact.
- Example: Ais Wallenstein at Level 5 executing 20 sword strikes in ½ second, causing massive damage.

- Level 6 Adventurers: Capable of large-scale destruction, breaking through the strongest materials, and causing city-wide earthquakes.
- Example: Ottar at Level 6 causing earthquakes with his sword swings.

#### Speed
- Level 5 Adventurers: Near-instantaneous movement, can perform high-speed attacks and dodges.
- Speed Estimate: Hypersonic (~Mach 5).

- Level 6 Adventurers: Extremely fast, capable of reacting to and countering attacks at lightning speeds.
- Speed Estimate: High hypersonic (~Mach 10).

### God Tiers (Level 7+ and Divine Beings)

#### Destructive Capacity/Attack Potency
- Level 7 Adventurers: Capable of country-level destruction, causing massive environmental upheavals, and defeating the most powerful foes.
- Example: Ottar at Level 7, with his attacks felt across a 5-kilometer perimeter, affecting entire battlefields.

- Divine Beings: Gods and goddesses possess powers that can reshape reality, influence entire regions, and exert control over vast areas.
- Example: Freya's charm affecting the entire Lower World, showing immense influence and control.

#### Speed
- Level 7 Adventurers: Faster than sound, capable of reacting to and moving at speeds far beyond normal perception.
- Speed Estimate: High hypersonic to relativistic (~Mach 10 to Mach 20).

- Divine Beings: Potentially possessing instantaneous movement and reaction times, able to manipulate time and space.
- Speed Estimate: Relativistic to potentially faster-than-light (FTL) in certain contexts due to their divine nature.

### Conclusion

Overall Power and Speed in DanMachi:
  • Low Tiers: Subsonic to supersonic speeds, with building-level to city-block level destructive capacity.
  • Mid Tiers: Supersonic to high supersonic speeds, with city-block level to city-level destructive capacity.
  • Top Tiers: Hypersonic to high hypersonic speeds, with city-level to country-level destructive capacity.
  • God Tiers: High hypersonic to relativistic speeds, with country-level to potentially reality-warping destructive capacity.

These levels provide a comprehensive overview of the power and speed of characters in DanMachi, from low-tier adventurers to god-tier beings, highlighting their exceptional capabilities and feats within the series' universe.
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LB 6 aren't there no trees anymore? What should they do, kill Morgan, Calamity, Oberon or something else? Dethroning Morgan is possible, killing Calamity is also possible considering they have Chaldea equipment. But Oberon, they might get sucked in
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:becel
 
shiny said:

Superman there Lol.
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Now that's funny because Spacebattles does unironically the exact opposite of what Nidhogg has stated. The number of times I've seen them force in weaknesses, act as if things only operate within an "exact frame of reference" or other shit like that would make your head spin. Combined with making characters be dumb and not use their abilities to their fullest extent while writing literal fanfiction stories of how characters win a battle is basically the premiere of "Spacebattles Competence".
 

Oh really? Pretty surprised there's no respect thread for him, with how big the Frieren anime was. Well off the top of my head he can swing his axe so hard it creates a massive pillar of heat and light that can delete dozens to hundreds of tons of stone from a cliff at a time, was able to hit a dragon in midair so hard it slammed down into the earth at supersonic speeds and died, said dragon able to slice a house in half and tank an insta kill spell that can delete massive amounts of stone instantly. He was able to take an unblocked axe hit to the torso with only skin deep wounds, where the wielder of said axe could smash through stone walls, and create craters in the ground
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Videos show that none of this happened and it's more he smashed the Dragon into the ground at potentially supersonic and instantly killed it and what we got from his fight with the Vampires.
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:heston

Seriously, maybe there's a reason there's no respect thread for this anime... maybe it's not that type of anime and only SB wanks the ever living shit out of it?
When it genuinely loses to Overlord of all franchises, maybe it's really not that strong after all. Good story though.
Real talk though, he loses against the Cerebus and Igris absolutely demolishes him.
@Darth Nihilus can back me up on those 2.
 

Fluffy Neps is caught lying in 4K, I only seen parts of Blade and the dude is genuinely lying like no one else, especially when later on in the topic, someone actually brought up how Undead Biology works...


So yeah, I'm not sure how this doesn't end with her basically blasting him into unconsciousness or off into deep space or anything like that?
 
Blade is shit tier in power level (and quality) , the life wiping is a mechanic of that specific world, is not a character skill or something , is just an armageddon that happens when someome wins the Undead battle royale.
Not a single Blade character is scaling that
 
Tablos said:
Blade is shit tier in power level (and quality) , the life wiping is a mechanic of that specific world, is not a character skill or something , is just an armageddon that happens when someome wins the Undead battle royale.
Not a single Blade character is scaling that
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That's not even it, it's just funny that they are constantly using the fact that apparently "Artoria cannot ever kill the Undead" which is a massive ass NLF and then stretched it into being "Artoria cannot hurt the Undead" when in Blade, the Undead have explicitly been cut, hurt, injured and knocked out plenty of times(The latter is the entire reason they are sealed at all) which just gets to hilariously laughable in that regard.

I have seen Blade a few times AND seen Zi-O which has an episode on Blade which makes that level of stretch more hilarious and this even more funny:

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You can't give characters or their powers a weakness unless it's shown, stated or hinted at... but you damn sure can NLF the fuck out of how their mechanics work...
Besides, if Tsukasa/Decade can kill Undead, then I'm not sure how that means Artoria can't...

EDIT: Wait a tick... didn't Sougou kill Another Blade amped up on both of the characters' Jokers as Zi-O II? Because I think that shit just makes it worse...

EDIT: I remember know, it was Zi-O Trinity that defeated Another Blade amped up on both of the Protagonist and The Rival's Jokers which basically killed off the Undead Another Blade entirely and stopped the Apocalypse.
 
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OtherGalaxy said:
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I don't know what's funnier:

Believing that because there's somehow a built in failsafe in the Storm Breaker to weaken the IG(I don't even know how that works or how it didn't work against 2014 Thanos) or believing that Hulk is somehow not THAT weak compared to Thanos when Infinity War had Thanos made Hulk look like a bitch without any use of Infinity Gems...
 

:lolwat

How the fuck is this a fight? @Adamant soul
Fullbring Bankai Ichigo was utterly destroying an Ayon backed Volstandigt Quilge to the point Urahara found no reason to interfere until the Soul Society called and forced his hand. Despite Ichigo then basically destroying himself and his Bankai trying to break out of Quilge's Jail, he still scared the pants out of every Sternritter and gave Yhwach the biggest fight he had until Ichibe(And he didn't get out of it unscathed either).

What the fuck chance does Shinigami Aizen have?!
EDIT: This isn't getting into how he treated Ginjou either despite the man being seen as a threat to the Soul Society and gained himself a Bankai AND a Hollow Form and Ichigo still basically treated him like a bitch the entire fight once he went Bankai.
 
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"Aizen still effectively one shot Rose, Komamura, Love and Lisa"
Love and Rose was heavily hurt after Starrk went and threw his Coyotes and him and Love. Komomura literally had a huge ass hole in him from his fight with Ressurcion Tousen and Lisa was the only one you can even say was at optimal condition.
Secondly, we are still pretending the Pre-Timeskip Espada matter to post Timeskip Ichigo?! Ichigo fully regaining his Fullbringer Form was on the level above a Captain with Tsukishima basically being speedblitzed to shit immediately in the manga and treated like a ragdoll in the anime.
The dude's Shockwave in his Shikai form from that point was compared to a Getsuga by someone also on par with the Captains before he further buffed himself with Ichigo's own Fullbring powers.

And finally... yeah? Ginjou knew about Ichigo a long ass time ago and was banking on his ass from the start, how wouldn't he know about his history despite the both of them being Substitute Shinigami?

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Hmmm, the guy who was able to defeat a Sternritter who even Yhwach praised, whose the only one who learned and mastered Ransotengai and is the sole Sternritter running the entirety of Heuco Muendo...
Is somehow weaker than Ulquirroa, Yammy and Gin?

:jordangif
It's pretty obvious that Fullbring Bankai Ichigo is stronger than all 3 of them... combined.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
I don't know what's funnier:

Believing that because there's somehow a built in failsafe in the Storm Breaker to weaken the IG(I don't even know how that works or how it didn't work against 2014 Thanos) or believing that Hulk is somehow not THAT weak compared to Thanos when Infinity War had Thanos made Hulk look like a bitch without any use of Infinity Gems...
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i thought the russos just said thanos didnt use all the igs power at the time or something

but either way mcu having so many word of god retcons in general got old fast

carol not being able to deal with mjolnir is just stupid from any angle
 
OtherGalaxy said:
i thought the russos just said thanos didnt use all the igs power at the time or something

but either way mcu having so many word of god retcons in general got old fast

carol not being able to deal with mjolnir is just stupid from any angle
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Pretty much for the former, there is so many MCU Word of God that it goes right into Death of The Author territory real fast.
 
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