Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

[CrossTheHorizon]

Yeah, but how am I supposed to know this is the actual proper translation? Like do you have the raws on hand? Genuine question.

Notably it still says they shift out of time (which still isn't the same as stopping time), to avoid AN attack. As in, singular. Which would be consistent with the "improper" translation that says its a temporary effect.

Hell, its a temporary effect in-game too.

Everything is a temporary effect in-game, including stuff that in lore are passive effects or even just descriptions of what the character is.

I guess you could argue Mash would eventually run out of mana (or rather Ritsuka would) because it's still an ability and thus uses up energy to activate

 

[Paxton]

Everything is a temporary effect in-game, including stuff that in lore are passive effects or even just descriptions of what the character is.

I guess you could argue Mash would eventually run out of mana (or rather Ritsuka would) because it's still an ability and thus uses up energy to activate

Fair enough.


How would she "eventually run out" of mana exactly if you're saying she just uses it once and then the target is permanently shifted out of the time axis? It's either temporary or it's not.

If it's permanent (as in, no mana required to keep it up indefinitely), you would need to bypass it to beat her in a fight. If it's not, you don't.


Having the raws would help clear things up, just saying.

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Fair enough.


How would she "eventually run out" of mana exactly if you're saying she just uses it once and then the target is permanently shifted out of the time axis? It's either temporary or it's not.


Having the raws would help clear things up, just saying.

I mean, it's an active ability? It's still something she has to maintain.

Armor of Fafnir is a temporary ability by that standard since if Seigfried runs out of magic it goes away (because he goes away lol)

 

[Paxton]

I mean, it's an active ability? It's still something she has to maintain.

Armor of Fafnir is a temporary ability by that standard since if Seigfried runs out of magic it goes away (because he goes away lol)

Then would that not be a more reasonable assumption to make, explaining how Artoria beat Mash in a fight, rather than Artoria outright bypassing the ability (Artoria punching/slashing people from other points in time lol), since you say it needs to be maintained via magical energy?

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Though for what it's worth it might owe you an apology on the translation thing, because most other translations I can find include "temporary" or something similar in their version

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Then would that not be a more reasonable assumption to make, explaining how Artoria beat Mash in a fight, rather than Artoria outright bypassing the ability (Artoria punching/slashing people from other points in time lol), since you say it needs to be maintained via magical energy?

Not really, Rhon punches through two separate space-times to hit Meteor McFuckboi in LB 5 (no i still don't like him) and it's primary purpose is to nail down space time in the first place. Excalibur is equal or greater (depending on the target) to Rhon.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I still see Paxton has not put down anything in regards to Regulus not being killed by Excalibur or being affected by a Servant in any fashion... or bring up how genuinely awful of a fighter Regulus is or he needs to stay close to his wives, something Saber can easily sense and exploit if we somehow believe she can't bypass it:

So he broke through a magic spell with magic resistance? That isn't even actually stopping time, mind you.

How's that helping against an ability which isn't magic?

It's funny how you did exactly what I thought you would do(alongside the namecalling, isn't that funny?) and I have to tell you the obvious again?
If a weaker Servant can flex out of a Stasis Field in one of the strongest Mages fields, what makes you think Regulus' ability would be any different? Despite it not being conceptual in any fashion and only being binded to the fact that he's connected to a Witch that's weaker than Satella?

 

[Masterblack06]

At this point its time to move on now.

 

[Paxton]

I still see Paxton has not put down anything in regards to Regulus not being killed by Excalibur or being affected by a Servant in any fashion... or bring up how genuinely awful of a fighter Regulus is or he needs to stay close to his wives, something Saber can easily sense and exploit if we somehow believe she can't bypass it:



It's funny how you did exactly what I thought you would do(alongside the namecalling, isn't that funny?) and I have to tell you the obvious again?
If a weaker Servant can flex out of a Stasis Field in one of the strongest Mages fields, what makes you think Regulus' ability would be any different? Despite it not being conceptual in any fashion and only being binded to the fact that he's connected to a Witch that's weaker than Satella?

Well, considering Excalibur is just a large energy attack in effect 99% of the time, and doesn't have instances of hitting people who are temporally locked, that's on you.
I never said Regulus would win, by the way. Don't make up shit I never said.

Because 1. Medea did not stop time, she merely froze space. It's not even the same category of ability as Regulus' Authority.
2. She froze space through MAGIC. Regulus' Authority is separate from magic in Re;Zero. Resisting magic doesn't help you resist stuff that isn't equivalent to magic.

The rest of this is irrelevant and I'm ending the discussion here, since MB said so.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

At this point its time to move on now.

It should have long been the instant he started criticizing a series he doesn't know anything about rather than argue for Regulus...
We don't even know if his ability is even conceptual or based on a spell or anything and yet, he's acting like another person in Spacebattles.

We know more about Regulus just looking him up than from Paxton's own mouth

Saber slaughters him, end of story, we are done.

 

[CrossTheHorizon]

Well since we're going obscure lore anyway, Avalon uses Anti-Purge defense. Anti-Purge can be bypassed by the Moon Cell which lost to Sefar, who is << Excalibur :zaru

 

[Paxton]

It should have long been the instant he started criticizing a series he doesn't know anything about rather than argue for Regulus...
We don't even know if his ability is even conceptual or based on a spell or anything and yet, he's acting like another person in Spacebattles.

We know more about Regulus just looking him up than from Paxton's own mouth

Saber slaughters him, end of story, we are done.

 

[AcidSoup]

Did Emiya not just break out through generic magic resistance servants have or what because I watched the rest of the scene and see nothing more than Medea getting smacked by caldabolg

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Did Emiya not just break out through generic magic resistance servants have or what because I watched the rest of the scene and see nothing more than Medea getting smacked by caldabolg

It was through his Generic Magic Resistance. It's implied Kanshou and Byakuya helped but it he explicitly doesn't have it in the VN and was already slowly breaking through anyway.

EDIT: I thought that video would have the scene but Youtube continues to disappoint me...

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Can I know what you smoke for this delusion because @Darth Nihilus wants to get those harder hits and I want to give him a recommendation.

 

[Salfarc]

reading up on Regulus, his whole thing is "muh time is stopped therefore i take no damage from anything"

considering we go by feats, just look at the strongest thing his body was able to take with its time stopped and go from there. Shits not hard

inb4 "i dont need to show any feats he can tank anything and everything"

Its not as simple as that. He literally take 0 damage from anything since the time never register he got attacked. Things his body able to take on, from feats; doesn't matter. So yeah you don't actually need to show any feats he can tank anything and everything as him tanking something is the same as him never got hit, you don't have to show he can tank something that never hits him. The feats of an attack not doing any damage is not a feat of him tanking if we go by technicality, its a feat of his "mode" not taking any attack. No attacks are considered reaching him.

This may sounds like super strong but it actually isn't in practice. First of all he actually can only take this form within 3 seconds and no more, and if he tries to go over this time limit, the mode instantly stops and his heart burst so he just die. He tried to circumvent this by creating pseudo hearts inside his "wives". As long as his wives are alive he can make pseudo heart, and as long as this pseudo heart exist he is invincible...So this means, just kill his wives and he can't do anything. You just need to wait 5 seconds and he just die by himself or he stop using the "Stilling Time Mode" and he is just a normal human. Any attack that can damage or manipulate time would also ruin his ability.

Regulus have shit aim, more often than not people get wounded by him because they didn't know he is attacking them or he use things like dust to attack that shouldn't have any damage whatsoever so they didn't dodge. If Regulus attack Artoria, Artoria will just dodge everything. Unless his opponent just stands there or not really trying to dodge his attacks like 99% he is shown when battling in his own series, Regulus aint hitting shit. Even the series shows Subaru can dodge his attack easily and Subaru is just athletic normal human.

Regulus vs Artoria is matter of can Artoria Excalibur lucky shot and kill all of his wives or kill majority of them or not. If she can, she win. If she can't, it's a stalemate.

It's Regulus vs anyone and everyone that have good reaction tbh.

...Do you play FGO? Like, do I have to say this extremely obvious thing here? Because if I have to say he's basing it off of a freaking NAME, maybe it's not a contradiction and it's just a Spacebattles user being fundamentally retarded?

I don't think so either but I wanna see how others think.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Its not as simple as that. He literally take 0 damage from anything since the time never register he got attacked. Things his body able to take on, from feats; doesn't matter. So yeah you don't actually need to show any feats he can tank anything and everything as him tanking something is the same as him never got hit, you don't have to show he can tank something that never hits him. The feats of an attack not doing any damage is not a feat of him tanking if we go by technicality, its a feat of his "mode" not taking any attack. No attacks are considered reaching him.

We are NOT playing Spacebattles here, we are explicitly going by abilities which can explicitly attack and destroy concepts, we are not going to pretend Regulus' ability is beyond that without any proof whatsoever. Masterblack's point is that Alexandria in Worm has a similar ability and in practice, it doesn't work in that same fashion either so we can't just say "Because how it works in Re: Zero means it works the same everywhere else" as that's in and of itself a NLF.

Regulus vs Artoria is matter of can Artoria Excalibur lucky shot and kill all of his wives or kill majority of them or not. If she can, she win. If she can't, it's a stalemate.

No? She kills him regardless, this shouldn't even be in question. There is no stalemate unless you can prove:

1) Regulus' ability is explicitly conceptual in nature
2) It's utterly beyond the ability of Excalibur to deal with in any fashion.

Me and Cross have consistently stated evidence against both while Paxton haven't proven shit. That's how this works here, we are not Spacebattles. It "being created in time" doesn't matter when Divine Constructs have destroyed Concepts enforced by gods who see Space, Time and other shit in completely different fashions and can erode Reality.

 

[Masterblack06]

tell people to move on
niggas keep going

Enjoy the day off

 

[Masterblack06]

Ahh yeah we back with the one piece ftl shit

 

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