Shiny. Dude. Just admit there are inconsistencies (like with any franchise) and leave it at that.
everyone basically already agreed Gojo gets... well, go / jo'd by Muramasa
this thread does not need to go on for any longer
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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever
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Shiny. Dude. Just admit there are inconsistencies (like with any franchise) and leave it at that.
everyone basically already agreed Gojo gets... well, go / jo'd by Muramasa
this thread does not need to go on for any longer
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Well, here is his retarded post in question: https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/goetia-vs-ort-fate-battle.1072388/#post-90427910
In his weird ailed mind he thinks Sion claiming the energy of the Fantasy Tree is only equivalent to "a single instance of the incineration", as in 1 second.
He came up with that argument to downplay the energy of the Fantasy Trees being stated to be equal to the Incineration, which is ridiculous because whenever they talk about the incineration of humanity it's always the whole energy collected across those 3000 years, not just a single instance of it.
I know, but VSB (the likes of Sirial and Blaze in particular) actually believes planetary class is above stellar. They claim stellar falls within the planetary umbrella somehow and it's totally not showing a linear progression between planetary and stellar.
Because it's the nature of the downplay that Nasu ALWAYS gets that's the problem. They would dead ass believe only Alter-Ego Muramasa matters(When that's not even true canon wise) when it comes to feats and that somehow Melusine is only just Mach. Basically the issue is you give them an inch and they will take it for miles so I can see why shiny is really trying to shut the shit down when you have them unironically believe that any RWBY Hunter can take on and defeat Shirou casually when... yeah no.
I already know they tried downplaying the shit out of the Trees of Emptiness not having energy on par with Galaxies because "LB7 stated that they aren't real Galaxies" which... no shit they aren't but they then miss the entire point anyway in the process... but this is some next level retardation.
How the fuck can a Tree of Emptiness that can sustain through pure energy an ecosystem on the level of a Galaxy somehow only count as a SINGLE INSTANCE?! That doesn't even make any damn sense for Goetia's plan, let alone for the Animusphere Grand Order?!
Like you can tell these peoples' brains genuinely break anytime they dare have to "rationalize" how "everyone got shit wrong about the nasuverse but us" but it really shows they cannot think even a bit above themselves.
I think that's only due to the nature of people not getting a good grasp on what the differences are and the fact that Blaze doesn't really watch or play FGO and just gets the basics and Siriel just lies. Primarily, it's the fact that U-Olga was, surprise surprise, holding back in LB5 and had to get the Stellar designation and they are losing their shit over it... despite Stellar would make more sense considering Nasu off the cuff stated U-Olga actually would have assimilated Lostbelt ORT if it wasn't for her being so dramatically weakened and it eating her heart through Tez's and Daybit's actions.
These are the same people who believe ORT can't be Galaxy+ because "it makes no sense" despite everything and it's mother states that fact.
Crimson Dragoon
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Don’t mess with TF Quora “debaters”, they don’t even watch or read anything from the franchise
Xcano
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"I didn't say anything about wanking series you like"
"You dedicate a lot of time to downplay, so you must dislike Dragon Ball"
Hmm... I wonder what the inversion of this statement would be.
I think the worst part is this guy might actually read a decent amount his conclusions are just insane
dude tried to use marvel comics Rom the spaceknight to scale IDW megatron lmao
there ended up being better overlooked info to get that Megatron to potentially planet level anyways, that was far less insane
He understood it>
Yes, it's inconsistent... But this bitch doesn't give a reason to establish your own headcanon in response... While doing a complete fuck-up to other Franchises.
The simplest example... This is Culture.
Literally everyone on SB goes crazy when Culture rises and they immediately throw in the feat of one ship that was able to destroy a fleet in 11 microseconds... nanoseconds? I don't get it, it's just that in one source it's microseconds, in another nanoseconds...
So everyone goes crazy about it, despite the fact that there are several examples of Culture ships not being superluminal fighters. (There is a moment when the Mind ship, albeit small, was blown up by a regular missile launched by the crew of an enemy ship, manually and directly giving each other orders.)
That is, according to the same logic that they promote, Culture is an "inconsistent" series, which has many more non-superluminal feats of combat speed than superluminal ones.
And this is one example, we won’t even name the rest.
Yeah and that's precisely the issue along with removing context for scenes entirely despite it being RIGHT THERE, CLEAR AS DAY if it's not usually TheWorld going "Well the Official Localization is always wrong, let me go into DeepL and surprise shocker, it's basically the same thing but conveniently the context isn't there".
The hilarious one was them acting like Sion being able to get why Lostbelt ORT is so much weaker than PHH ORT to the point of being a Subspecies HAS to be wrong, there's zero reason for Sion to even know this information... if you did even a single search on what the Atlas Institute has access to because even FGO has not only a CRAFT ESSENCE based on the damned thing, it's a vital part of the mystery of Sherlock Holmes:
Ah yes, I wonder how Sion, the daughter of the freaking current head of Atlas Institute and a high ranking figure on her own merits, is able to know the difference considering she most likely did some small digging with Tri-Hermes on ORT considering ORT waking up is a potential extinction event in which The Atlas Institute is literally built to deal with...
I bought WITCH ON THE HOLY NIGHT a while ago during a Steam sale and finally got around playing and finishing it some days ago. It was great.
I preemptively also bought the Tsukihime remake on Switch and am midway through that now. Love it.
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Thor Is Consisently Sub-Planet Level - Feats and Analysis - Comic Vine
I have a lot more of sub-planet level feats Thor.
comicvine.gamespot.com this is what i am talking about, consistently sub planet level thor
Man what the fuck is with this undeserved Sukuna glazing?!
At this point, I can't even fathom the fuck is Sheldon's argument anymore:
The fact that he legit believes that Nasuverse Earth is somehow just Real Planet Earth with a different coat of paint;
The fact that "it makes no sense that ORT's impact can devastate Earth's Oceans but not the Mountains" despite that evaporation during a massive re-entry would very much fuck up Earth's Oceans but not devastate the land as badly as an impact on land would be:
Hell, it's one of the many reasons a massive extinction event can happen now if the asteroid that's big enough lands in the ocean, Deep Impact the movie was not lying about that.
Or the fact that somehow, ORT's devastation didn't come from ORT... but the Lethal Lava Land that somehow existed before ORT smashed into the Planet... that was not the case:
The complete irony is that the Malla that usually would have HELPED the Earth reconstitute it's Surface explicitly didn't and used all of that energy and change and keep Mictlan habitable... this is literally stated ingame.
Yep, this is literally SB's debate process:
If something doesn't make sense to them, through "facts and logic"(aka bitch and moan and constantly bring in how physics don't make any sense) until everyone agrees through either believing it or being forced to accept it.
aka, I have no easy access way to literally lie and BS my way out of this till the NA Official Translation comes in so I can then throw shit around with no context and people will just believe me because no one will do any actual research to confirm it.
Yeah, I saw that and it just... really shows that people have no fucking clue that Nasuverse Mechanics are not that deep...
ORT is stronger than anything else on Earth, that has been consistently stated, shown and put to the test in LB7 where the main reason ORT even died was that it's fucking Heart attained sentience and sacrificed itself to kill it's Servant self and the current Big Bad(U-Olga Marie) had to sacrifice herself to basically overcharge Excalibur and basically stop Time itself on ORT to even get it that far.
NO ONE exceeded it in firepower because it was monumentally crippled by it's lack of it's strongest organ... which was it's heart. This is what happens when you basically listen to fanon way too fucking much despite Reddit fanon is dumb as shit(Hax matters... but only in a major Battle Royale, not in every situation and not against every single being).
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Alright, gonna touch on Sheldon's newest insanity and then go check on the Raditz vs. Tatsumaki thread(the other thread which never stops giving...) and call it a day:
Because then, you will have to explain that context to so many other franchises and no series would ever be much further away than MCB at the most...
I don't get why people can't wrap their heads around the fact that basing shit around collateral is a fool's errand because not only do most authors don't give a shit when it comes to consistency around collateral damage, some go so far as to make in-world reasoning why collateral damage doesn't matter. There's a reason why everytime I was in Spacebattles and people would bring up collateral damage or lack of physics or anything else, I would bring up One Punch Man in a genuine response to point out how stupid it is expecting shows that tend to not care about that sort of shit when most of them don't give a rat's ass.
Characters that can move FTL shouldn't be able to see... yet they do because fuck you. If All-Might's shockwaves can equal out to the G-Forces in a Hurricane and change the weather, how the hell didn't it affect normal human Deku during the first chapter? If Saitama can kick fucking portals around, why can he be unable to kill a Mosquito and get hurt by a cat and a PIKO HAMMER?
Because ORT being the equivalent to the K-T Meteor means absolutely nothing for it's DC? All that means is that ORT's crash landing was enough to be a substitute to an extinction event and that we know in PHH, it can control it's landings... it didn't give a shit in the LB Timeline(And we know ORT crash landed 5000 years before the current day... in which modern humans thrived so yeah, this is meaningless) so why does this matter?
Because Tiamat didn't take damage from the fall, what part of Babylonia did you fucking read? It's surprisingly as Blaze stated:
Characters weaker than ORT wouldn't have taken any damage from that, ORT didn't give a shit about tanking the hit because it's entire purpose of why it's on Earth is to KILL HUMANITY(Which in the LB Timeline, it did by waking up and going after Camazotz's people). Wondering about how damaging it's crash landing is it's ultimately meaningless because it's ultimately meaningless.
As someone else stated and it's something I can fully believe:
The Malla recognized that ORT was coming in so fucking hot, it reinforced the shit out Pangaea and created what was ultimately Mictlan for them to have refuge in kinda basically states he equaled the Chicxlub Impact... which it only did because it knew it wasn't "The Promised Day" nor was there any humans to kill and just crashed to "sleep"(as ORT doesn't work with our known concept of death).
I literally do not see how any of this matters one iota to the obvious point of anything else ORT can do...
Is this for durability? It's worthless because we know ORT didn't give a shit to tank the hit(I don't know why people are trying so hard to make it an anti-feat as if ORT doesn't know it's own capabilities and just didn't bother with a soft landing like in PHH) and it tanked far worse than that Meteor Impact from both U-Olga Marie throwing a Black Hole at it and Kukulkan going all in on it's sleeping form.
You mean the Heart that became it's own being and gained it's own separate sentience? Yeah, wonder why ORT was still ultimately "alive" and why Kuku had to kill herself at the end of it...
Because then, you will have to explain that context to so many other franchises and no series would ever be much further away than MCB at the most...
I don't get why people can't wrap their heads around the fact that basing shit around collateral is a fool's errand because not only do most authors don't give a shit when it comes to consistency around collateral damage, some go so far as to make in-world reasoning why collateral damage doesn't matter. There's a reason why everytime I was in Spacebattles and people would bring up collateral damage or lack of physics or anything else, I would bring up One Punch Man in a genuine response to point out how stupid it is expecting shows that tend to not care about that sort of shit when most of them don't give a rat's ass.
Characters that can move FTL shouldn't be able to see... yet they do because fuck you. If All-Might's shockwaves can equal out to the G-Forces in a Hurricane and change the weather, how the hell didn't it affect normal human Deku during the first chapter? If Saitama can kick fucking portals around, why can he be unable to kill a Mosquito and get hurt by a cat and a PIKO HAMMER?
Because ORT being the equivalent to the K-T Meteor means absolutely nothing for it's DC? All that means is that ORT's crash landing was enough to be a substitute to an extinction event and that we know in PHH, it can control it's landings... it didn't give a shit in the LB Timeline(And we know ORT crash landed 5000 years before the current day... in which modern humans thrived so yeah, this is meaningless) so why does this matter?
Because Tiamat didn't take damage from the fall, what part of Babylonia did you fucking read? It's surprisingly as Blaze stated:
Characters weaker than ORT wouldn't have taken any damage from that, ORT didn't give a shit about tanking the hit because it's entire purpose of why it's on Earth is to KILL HUMANITY(Which in the LB Timeline, it did by waking up and going after Camazotz's people). Wondering about how damaging it's crash landing is it's ultimately meaningless because it's ultimately meaningless.
As someone else stated and it's something I can fully believe:
The Malla recognized that ORT was coming in so fucking hot, it reinforced the shit out Pangaea and created what was ultimately Mictlan for them to have refuge in kinda basically states he equaled the Chicxlub Impact... which it only did because it knew it wasn't "The Promised Day" nor was there any humans to kill and just crashed to "sleep"(as ORT doesn't work with our known concept of death).
I literally do not see how any of this matters one iota to the obvious point of anything else ORT can do...
Is this for durability? It's worthless because we know ORT didn't give a shit to tank the hit(I don't know why people are trying so hard to make it an anti-feat as if ORT doesn't know it's own capabilities and just didn't bother with a soft landing like in PHH) and it tanked far worse than that Meteor Impact from both U-Olga Marie throwing a Black Hole at it and Kukulkan going all in on it's sleeping form.
You mean the Heart that became it's own being and gained it's own separate sentience? Yeah, wonder why ORT was still ultimately "alive" and why Kuku had to kill herself at the end of it...