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powerscalers consider this, if i can punch at the speed of light, but i have normal walking speed, if i run while punching will i be able to achieve ftl running
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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever
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The bullet train analogy in question was 30x faster than 10 km/hr according to Jotaro, so it’s closer to 300 km/hr (180 mph) rather than 270 mph
But regardless, I don’t think that’s its upper ceiling
There's not, both because its vague and unhelpful and because it was Araki's choice to draw the stand materializing long after the light was in transit
They want their cake and to eat it when the only objective fact to be drawn from the art is what is there on page. If you want to tell me you know what the man that wrote this was actually thinking, I'm sure you can take a stab, but your stab isn't objective fact without Araki's word on the matter.
Doesn't help when Araki loves tossing Faster than Light one moment and 300 km/hr the next if you want to treat all authorial mouth pieces as equal to inform where his mind is at.
It's not because it's upper ceiling is theoretically limitless, Pucci was just a mong who did nothing more than accelerate himself as fast as possible without really thinking it through.
It's just the typical SB shit where they can't understand that just because characters' say one thing doesn't mean it's an absolute unless it's explicitly the author talking through them(Which tends to be a very obvious difference).
this is more or less the point of contention
to me its just, at what point does it become just ignoring what’s actually happening on the page
the 300km thing is particularly bad because the guy’s already got feats in his own part much better, and there was already a Stand earlier on he fought said to be moving at lightspeed. If this was something that only came up once I could understand the resistance to it, but Araki’s done this a bunch of times
Authors are morons
Creatively ingenious with imagination, but morons outside their niche
Not exclusive to Araki
The thing is in Araki's case I don't even think he meant for that number to be taken so seriously, Josuke's just saying "I never measured it but I bet I could punch you this fast" it's totally different than something like thisAuthors are morons
Creatively ingenious with imagination, but morons outside their niche
Not exclusive to Araki
Where he's just unambiguously saying "no this stand surpasses lightspeed and it's entirely unrelated to its ability to stop time"
Though he did have a hilarious fumble on temperature in Part 2 when Kars was being burned by magma that was less hot than ACDC's blood was
40-50 KG could probably crack concrete depending on how the weight is distributed on impact though in addition to velocity on impact
If it's all knuckle first, I'm expecting to see spider webs because that's not inconsiderable pressure
thats why I was bringing up this scan in specific
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the finale sure, it's meant to be a triumphant moment, I get arguing that one's dramatic because well, it is just not in a way that it makes me think it isn't literal either
But this one? This shit's not romanticized at all, we just see him slashing after the kid's eyes close
Which is what I meant by comparing them as if equal in weight of authorial voice
In-universe mouth pieces vs 3rd person omniscient? The latter is more valuable in most contexts.
Like I said, Authors are dumbasses outside whatever niche they possess
The scene for reference
Yeah, it sounds like the argument they’re going for is that sometimes the art doesn’t reflect what is stated in the storythats why I was bringing up this scan in specific
(sorry for shit quality)
the finale sure, it's meant to be a triumphant moment, I get arguing that one's dramatic because well, it is just not in a way that it makes me think it isn't literal either
But this one? This shit's not romanticized at all, we just see him slashing after the kid's eyes close
Also, bearing in mind?The scene for reference
I don't really take the character guesstimates of measure seriously when the visual contradicts the showing shrugs
Because, and say it with me?
Authors are fucking idiots
That actually reminds me, because Araki does flip flop on this stance
He implies Time Stop isn’t a real time stop and that it’s Star Platinum and The World moving really, really fast that the rest of the world seems frozen to them
He repeats this in JoJoveller
By enabling movement close to the speed of light, it allows one to behave as if time has stopped relative to others
So do we take Araki’s word for it that they’re moving really fast and not a true time stop?
He implies Time Stop isn’t a real time stop and that it’s Star Platinum and The World moving really, really fast that the rest of the world seems frozen to them
He repeats this in JoJoveller
By enabling movement close to the speed of light, it allows one to behave as if time has stopped relative to others
So do we take Araki’s word for it that they’re moving really fast and not a true time stop?
Remember those times Dio himself was moving in time stop? Or the knives just sitting there in front of Jotaro, momentum robbed of them after they were free of Dio's grip long enough for time stop to effect them?
If he's referring to the ability "The World" here, I'll repeat my anthem of "authors are morons"
Because what he drew on page is not what was happening.
Assuming that's all there is to the statement, I'd hedge its either not talking about the ability, or Araki's memory is swiss cheese.
I'd ignore it not because I don't take his word seriously but because it seems to contradict 1. how the time stop works in the story, especially during the Made in Heaven arc where it's pretty much impossible for this to be the case (Star Platinum is always a bit slower than Made in Heaven is, so it makes no sense at all for it to just be moving fast in comparison), and the Stone Ocean thing where the japanese says SP surpasses lightspeed without stopping time. It's like how in Part 7 that weird chapter 0 thing said Hamon and the Stone Mask were attempts to create Stands when like.....no they weren't? You wrote 100 chapters on what they were made for and there's no way to fold Stands into that????That actually reminds me, because Araki does flip flop on this stance
He implies Time Stop isn’t a real time stop and that it’s Star Platinum and The World moving really, really fast that the rest of the world seems frozen to them
He repeats this in JoJoveller
By enabling movement close to the speed of light, it allows one to behave as if time has stopped relative to others
So do we take Araki’s word for it that they’re moving really fast and not a true time stop?
I think he just rapidly changes his ideas about things over time and some of them are completely incongruous with things he's said or outright drawn for dozens of chapters before. When interviewed closer to Part 3 running he just directly said their time stop was a type of energy that extended out into space.
I think he just wants there to be some sci-fi element (even though it doesn’t match the supernatural tone of stands)
Like how stands are alien viruses (and that’s never mentioned again lol) and there is no such thing as a Mirror World so it makes more sense for Hanged Man to be a being made of light (even though he retcons the mirror world thing in Part 5 lol)
Like how stands are alien viruses (and that’s never mentioned again lol) and there is no such thing as a Mirror World so it makes more sense for Hanged Man to be a being made of light (even though he retcons the mirror world thing in Part 5 lol)