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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

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now this is just a pain in the mind
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I think this really exemplifies why I enjoy this manga so much. Even though it has these sort of ridiculous highs, you can see the ways he has come up with to “balance” it in his own way. Always keeps things fresh and new. Stands not always moving at their peak speeds could honestly explain away a lot of these arguments that have arisen among the fanbase too
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I agree, I like that he tries to keep it more grounded so not every stand is ridiculously fast and it explains the lower stated speed values throughout the story

Yeah the artstyle doesn’t reflect it sometimes, but it’s interesting to see he doesn’t want to over glorify his characters too much either. Going back to what you said about Viz clarifying that Pucci is comparable to a bullet train, it seems Viz clarified the whole Hanged Man thing as well

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Here he outright says Silver Chariot can’t keep up with Hanged Man under normal circumstances, I believe the fan translations that people have been using for so long weren’t as clear cut about it

Like it’s understandable why people debate against FTL stands when Araki puts this kind of dialogue. Whether they’re right or not is another story, but I’m not gonna hold it against them
 
BooksRFme said:
I think you've been reading too much Shirou-in-name-only fanfics.

Lancer straight up stabbed Shirou through the heart at the beginning of FSN. Straight out of the prologue.

In case you forget, in Emiya Gohan, Shirou has zero compunctions about inviting Lancer to eat at his house. Not only that, but in Hollow Ataraxia, Shirou interacts with Lancer without problems. And in UBW route, despite being stabbed through the heart less than two weeks ago, he and Rin still teams up with Lancer in order to defeat Caster and Gilgamesh. He also trusts Lancer to hold off Gilgamesh while Shirou and Arturia escape in Fate route.

Shirou doesn't hold killing himself against others. Lancer actually did go all the way through with stabbing Shirou in the heart; if it hadn't been for Rin, Shirou would have been found the next morning dead at school. Illya and Berserker nearly do kill Shirou on the first night of being a Master and while he is wary around her, he doesn't stop himself from befriending Illya in HF route or from taking Illya into his home in Fate route after he kills Berserker. He gets surprised and defensive when he runs into Illya in the market, but when Illya proves to be nonhostile at the moment, Shirou relaxes. It is to the point that Illya was able to knock Shirou unconscious in a park and kidnap him to her house because he didn't get hostile enough around her despite the fact that he had witnessed Illya order Berserker to kill Arturia, who he loves, and had smashed Shirou with his sword when he jumped in.

So, I look at Shirou and I'm going, I don't see that resentment you say Shirou has to have. Killing and hurting others? Yes, that motivates Shirou to act. But I won't say that Shirou really holds a grudge over it.

He won't ignore the bad experience, but he is too practical to turn down a way to save people simply because something bad happened to him.

And Shirou does have low self-esteem. I'm not going to get into an argument about whether Shirou or Subaru has lower self-esteem, but Shirou does have low self-esteem. It is one of his love interests big complaint about him, that he nearly kills himself and then gets up the next morning and acts like nothing has changed.

Would the bad ends affect Shirou? Yes, they would. Shirou would get wary around the person who nearly killed him, but it is not an obstacle he would ignore. Outside of Archer, Shirou doesn't really hold a grudge.
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"If Shirou remember bad ends like Subaru he wouldn't build relationship like he did before when don't remember. He doesn't have such low self-esteem like Subaru"

"No he does, he befriends Cu in F/HA after Cu stabs him"


No he doesn't befriends Cu in F/HA wtf. He and Emiya doesn't even like to spend time with Cu in HA.
 
I feel like that error is due to misunderstanding that just because Shirou will interact with people doesn't mean he likes them.
We see this with Shinji Matou in that despite him still acting polite, he actually throws alot of verbal jabs in his direction and knows full well he's a snake and knows that's the best way to piss Shinji off since he wants to be in control in some fashion and Shirou robs him of it by not going into bitchfits about it.

It's the same thing with Cu and Gilgamesh, Shirou and EMIYA can talk to them but they are not friendly in any fashion and people mix that up, this is especially weird considering he brings up Hollow Atraxia but ignores that he only treats Medea friendly because she stopped her shit entirely and even states it.(This also is hilarious considering Shirou and EMIYA explicitly never get along so hard, it even affects Senji Muramasa and any of the EMIYA's precisely because Shirou bleeds through that hard)
It's one of the things I and others rightfully bring up when r/FSN goes into their bi-weekly Ritsuka bitchfest and act like anyone can do what they do but ignore Shirou's personality and actions would absolutely rub alot of Servants the wrong way(Mordred would straight up kill Shirou for the shit he does and Caenis would have killed him even faster), let alone actual characters realizing his tendencies and refusing to put him on the field for it.
 
Gordo said:
I agree, I like that he tries to keep it more grounded so not every stand is ridiculously fast and it explains the lower stated speed values throughout the story

Yeah the artstyle doesn’t reflect it sometimes, but it’s interesting to see he doesn’t want to over glorify his characters too much either. Going back to what you said about Viz clarifying that Pucci is comparable to a bullet train, it seems Viz clarified the whole Hanged Man thing as well

MYgfTEo.jpeg


Here he outright says Silver Chariot can’t keep up with Hanged Man under normal circumstances, I believe the fan translations that people have been using for so long weren’t as clear cut about it

Like it’s understandable why people debate against FTL stands when Araki puts this kind of dialogue. Whether they’re right or not is another story, but I’m not gonna hold it against them
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I think this was somewhat already reflected in fan scans I just had other reasons I took the visuals at face value I’ve gone over in the past. My issue isn’t even really people being against ftl JoJo exactly. I do think that position is in conflict with the manga, but I don’t fault people for being skeptical. The reason I hate SB’s approach is they aren’t just ignoring the ftl feat, they ignore anything for jojo that isn’t bullet level or lower despite there being a decent amount of hypersonic feats too. With Kars they love bringing up “he couldn’t catch a plane” when he’s got several feats of out reacting machine gun fire and a direct statement he can easily avoid something moving at escape velocity. At that point it crosses from realistic skepticism into dishonesty to me
 
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I like how we now got the example on the other foot speaking of that @OtherGalaxy @ChaosTheory123
Basically, dude wants his cake and eat it too and dude immediately brings up do you want to take what the characters say at their word because then, you would get the other side of that as well. Of course it gets ignored because "lolSpacebattles" but it does further show their hypocrisy in not understanding where the actual problem with it is.
We can't pretend that Heracles is just that weak once you bypass God Hand is that's explicitly not true by the few times he does get God Hand punched through(or not in the case of HF with Shirou and Nine Lives Blade Works) and he isn't killed and can keep going till then so either Rin and co. is just guessing how strong her Gems are(because did Rin practice using them in advance? It's wildly out of character considering we know Rin is broke and her using her gems in that fashion isn't true either).

It's why we tend to basically go with WoG statements or things explicitly shown with calculations and characters with zero reasons to lie to go with it.
 
OtherGalaxy said:
I think this was somewhat already reflected in fan scans I just had other reasons I took the visuals at face value I’ve gone over in the past. My issue isn’t even really people being against ftl JoJo exactly. I do think that position is in conflict with the manga, but I don’t fault people for being skeptical. The reason I hate SB’s approach is they aren’t just ignoring the ftl feat, they ignore anything for jojo that isn’t bullet level or lower despite there being a decent amount of hypersonic feats too. With Kars they love bringing up “he couldn’t catch a plane” when he’s got several feats of out reacting machine gun fire and a direct statement he can easily avoid something moving at escape velocity. At that point it crosses from realistic skepticism into dishonesty to me
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from skepticism to The Agenda
 
one person did do an okay job finding tf durability in the films but they missed the scene where starscream is dogfighting in mid air and gets popped by one of the f22s with a missile mid flight, and it does nothing


semi related note i always liked this scene and wanted more like it

i love how fast screamer transforms at the end too, its like a damn flash and hes a jet
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
TL;DR, they are going more retarded on their "piracy" additions and making it so people can only post 3 images a week or get infractions.
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That's already been there actually

but it's for full page scans

so the implication is you can post more but you have to chop the scans down to the minimum

except if you do that people start claiming you're "not adding context" so
 
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