are you ignoring that he can pretty much pilot the mech himself?is not like it is obligatory for him to have his friends (man, if it was obligatory to have friends to pilot the mechs, then SImon will be unable to pilot gurren lagann)Actually now that I think about it, is Simon going to have Team Dai-Guren with him?
CONTEXT
context:
1.the death spiral machine absorbs spiral power, which prevented Simon from transforming the cathedral terra into super galaxy gurren lagann (is not like Simon was generating more spiral power faster than what could the spiral abyss absorb, but still had a hard time).
2. Kittan needed to destroy the death spiral machine so it stopped absorbing spiral power (and while doing so, he was able to awaken his spiral power anyway)
3. Lord genome is not stronger than Simon anyway, yes, he was needed for those two things, but Simon at the end managed to surpass that power after Anti-spiral defeated STTGL, TTGL, SGGL and AGL.
man...HE LITERRALY ABSORBED THE ENTIRE MULTIVERSE OF SIMONS BY HIMSELF (yes i know Kamina helped him wake up, but that was just to wake him up, Kamina didn't give Simon any power), and you are ignoring all the context of this scenes.
Simon can grow stronger to jump this massive levels, which is why at the end he was able to surpass the power of STTGL.
are you ignoring that he can pretty much pilot the mech himself?is not like it is obligatory for him to have his friends (man, if it was obligatory to have friends to pilot the mechs, then SImon will be unable to pilot gurren lagann)
Yukari - Star Level
Reimu - Large Star
Remilia - large Star
Suika - Large Star
Yukari - Large Star
So yeah thats where we got em
Yeah have to agree here let's not act as current touhou profiles on the one are accurate given alot of shit haven't been updatedLooked at those profiles and they gave me flashbacks to vsbw battles pages before they mass revamped the Warhammer 40k pages after the Horus Heresy books ended with how incoherent, feature missing, outdated, and justification / evidence lacking they are
whaSomeone's jumpy
well it is a bad point let me tell you thatAnd? He needed help to get past it, thats the point.
that was not Kittan, the Ocean turned into spiral power because of the death of the spiral machine.He also converted the ocean thing into Spiral Energy which Simon absorbed.
i don't call it outright losing if they don't get destroyed almost instantly (thought they were destroyed to be honest)I didnt say he was stronger, I said his sacrifice was necessary for Simon to reach that new level of power. Simon was outright losing before Lord Genome sacrificed himself to absorb the IBBS and empower Simon.
that he absorbed?You realize this translates to "needed the combined power of every version of himself to create TTGL" right?
Simon can generate the power himself, in these two specific instances, there were specific cirmcustances, one of them was a machine that absorbs spiral power, the other is the big bang itselfThe one ignoring context here is you. Simon can't do this stuff by himself. He needed the other members of Team Dai-Gurren, especially Kitan and Lord Genome to level up.
man, how could he absorb all the versions of himself, and the multiverse, if he didn't have the power to do so???or do you think he somehow absorbed the multiverse with a pre amp or something?"But he's stronger after that" Yeah because he leveled up. Kitan, Lord Genome, and absorbing his other selves all gave him power he didnt have before. He couldnt spontaneously decide "well time to level up" he needed their help.
Spiral power is the source that binds the universe and the spiral life forms, that is not a outside source, that is literraly the power source of everyone in the verse.The context of those massive jumps are always "Simon draws on an exterior power source to amp himself"
is not like he needs another transformation past STTGL, again, he was able to surpass that power afterwards, so having another transformation is pointless.He cant do that in the DB. Once he's in STTGL, it's not like Yoko or Nia could sacrifice themselves to absorb one of the entities to boost him again. He doesn't get another transformation past STTGL
i was mostly reffering to when he uses Gurren Lagann without another pilot in Gurren (which, will make it unusuable if it was required another pilot)At what point did he pilot TTGL or STTGL by himself? He had the team with him the entire fight. Unless you mean that part where they all split back into separate mechs
well it is a bad point let me tell you that
i don't call it outright losing if they don't get destroyed almost instantly (thought they were destroyed to be honest)
that he absorbed?
Simon can generate the power himself, in these two specific instances, there were specific cirmcustances, one of them was a machine that absorbs spiral power, the other is the big bang itself
man, how could he absorb all the versions of himself, and the multiverse, if he didn't have the power to do so???or do you think he somehow absorbed the multiverse with a pre amp or something?
Spiral power is the source that binds the universe and the spiral life forms, that is not a outside source, that is literraly the power source of everyone in the verse.
calling it drawing power from a outside source is at the same level of saying a character using their POWER SYSTEM, is drawing power from a outside source.
is not like he needs another transformation past STTGL, again, he was able to surpass that power afterwards, so having another transformation is pointless.
i was mostly reffering to when he uses Gurren Lagann without another pilot in Gurren (which, will make it unusuable if it was required another pilot)
sounds possible, sounds cool100% they are gonna have Simon absorb a green lantern construct inorder to become STTGL
I can smell it
ignoring that Simon was already able to transform it, but it was stopped by the death spiral machineSuper Galaxy Gurren Lagan -> Simon absorbs the Spiral Energy of the space ocean released by King Kittan GDB
that still Simon power.TTGL -> Simon absorbs his other selves from the Labryinth and combines his Spiral Energy with the rest of Team Dai-Gurren
okaySTTGL -> absorbs the giant drill created by Lord Genome out of IBBS
he still needs the power himself to be able to pull up those things, like absorbing his other selves on the Multiversal laberynth.The energy required to do these things is not created by Simon himself. He draws on sources of Spiral Energy outside of that generated by his own body and will to make himself stronger.
they gave Ryuko her Kisaragi form even when that requires outside assitance.The point of which is that in order to trigger a massive, exponential power boost like these three forms represented, Simon requires outside assistance. Which he would not have in the DB.
Super granzeboma destroyed the drill of STTGL, then the drill of TTGL, then the drill of SGGL, then the drill of AGL, then GL manage to stop it and break the drill of Super Granzeboma.While he could still get stronger over time, it's not to the extent of suddenly boosting himself by orders of magnitude. Which means if he's overpowered by orders of magnitude while already in STTGL, he can just lose outright to the power differential.
dificultades?Problem?
man i am not insaneKeep telling yourself that
thanks for telling me something i already knownWhich was caused by Kittan ramming it with his version of Giga Drill Break
it was not breaking on the quantum level like Lazegann, so tecnically it was tanking the attack.TTGL was in the process of being destroyed. It was losing the fight.
nothing???????Yes, which empowered him. What part of this is difficult?
why can't he do this in the fight?do you think they will really not give him TTGL OR STTGL????????He can't. His last three big power-ups were all "let me absorb this giant outside power-source to get stronger"
He absorbed them, yes, they didn't fight or resist, but that doesn't mean that it's still a feat of Simon's that he could absorb the entire multiverse and then escape from itAbsorbing the other versions of himself is what made him stronger. They weren't fighting or resisting him, it wasnt something he had to exert energy to do. They flowed into him and made him stronger.
just has much has you are for real on your ideas.Are you for real?
1. yesIdk how to tell you this but Goku using the Spirit Bomb is an outside power source. Naruto borrowing power from the Tailed Beasts is an outside power source. Ryuuko absorbing everyone's Life Fibers is an outside power source.
yes, Boota generated energy, which boosted GL performance, but Simon was already generating alot of Energy by himself, also my point is that is not a obligatory thing to have another pilot to pilot the mech (and is not like the users have that power themselves...right?)Simon did not generate the energy he used to power-up by himself. It did not come from him.
The point is that he cant jump an order of magnitude in power like he did for his last three forms.
I distinctly recall a scene where the little mole thing generating spiral energy from Gurren in place of Viral was said to have boosted GL's performance.
ignoring that Simon was already able to transform it, but it was stopped by the death spiral machine
that still Simon power.
okay
he still needs the power himself to be able to pull up those things, like absorbing his other selves on the Multiversal laberynth.
they gave Ryuko her Kisaragi form even when that requires outside assitance.
Super granzeboma destroyed the drill of STTGL, then the drill of TTGL, then the drill of SGGL, then the drill of AGL, then GL manage to stop it and break the drill of Super Granzeboma.
dificultades?
man i am not insane
thanks for telling me something i already known
it was not breaking on the quantum level like Lazegann, so tecnically it was tanking the attack.
nothing???????
why can't he do this in the fight?do you think they will really not give him TTGL OR STTGL????????
He absorbed them, yes, they didn't fight or resist, but that doesn't mean that it's still a feat of Simon's that he could absorb the entire multiverse and then escape from it
just has much has you are for real on your ideas.
1. yes
2. yes
3. they still allowed her to have Kisaragi anyway
yes, Boota generated energy, which boosted GL performance, but Simon was already generating alot of Energy by himself, also my point is that is not a obligatory thing to have another pilot to pilot the mech (and is not like the users have that power themselves...right?)
most of his friends were getting killedHe wasn't though. He spent a good portion of the fight trying but couldn't muster the energy even before they fell into the space ocean.
The multiverse already existed, the labyrinth forces you to perceive those possibilities, being a trap for consciousness.No it isn't. The other versions of himself were created by the Labryinth, they weren't something he had access to outside of that situation.
that still requires that he has powers, or do you think absorbing a entire universe is not universe level?No? They aren't resisting being absorbed. He's taking in already existing energy.
this guys can give the same to simon?
there is no mention of that, even Anti-spiral seems surprised by Simon being able to stand up against his power.It's almost like the clashes beforehand exhausted the energy.
power progression, has always.Gurren Lagan was overpowered and torn apart by tendrils of the planet, and Lagan was ripped to pieces by the Anti-Spiral directly.
ahora escribiste en japonez no ahi problema?
nah a insane person won't even tell you something sane, they will probably say something like...don't knowThat sounds like something an insane person would say
okay manThus not something Simon did himself
then why didn't they got killed instantly?if that is not tanking something, i don't know what it isNo, they were explicitly losing the struggle. IBBS would have killed them
to understand youAnd yet still you struggle
there are arguments to be made for thatBecause he doesn't have a giant extra source of Spiral Energy?
Of course they'll let him have those, my point from the start has been that if they arent enough power-wise he can't go past them. He can't jump an order of magnitude in strength beyond STTGL.....and Kyle is stronger than the Anti-Spiral ever was.
if you absorb a infinite multiverse, you get that feat of power, you can't absorb something so big, without yourself scaling to that think.It's not a feat of power, no. It's a demonstration of his absorption powers, but not his actual strength.
then we are not that different in that part.Somehow I doubt that
they will, because that will be ignoring the spiral power evolution capacity, which you seem to just call useless.So you acknowledge that Simon needed an external source of energy for his last three forms. Good, we're making progress.
And again, i didnt say they wouldnt let him have those forms. I said they wont have him jump beyond them when Kyle ends up being massively stronger.
then it is a pointless point because we both know they are going to give it to him anywayMy point was "Simon doesn't do this shit alone", and the mechs we were talking about in that context were TTGL and STTGL, which are composites of team Dai-Gurren
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