Death Battle Discussion

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
most of his friends were getting killed

So? He still couldn't do it without outside assistance.

alexander082006 said:
The multiverse already existed, the labyrinth forces you to perceive those possibilities, being a trap for consciousness.

They didn't exist until Simon perceived them, that's how the whole quantum mechanics thing works. Either way the point is that they aren't him. They exist outside of "base Simon"

alexander082006 said:
that still requires that he has powers, or do you think absorbing a entire universe is not universe level?

He didn't absorb an entire universe, he absorbed the other Simons he had been connected to through the Labyrinth. He didn't reach them on his own, he can't call on them outside that situation, and he needed their power (AND the power of the rest of Team Dai-Gurren) to form TTGL.

alexander082006 said:
this guys can give the same to simon?

I never said they wouldn't? I said he doesn't have anything that can push him past STTGL if he needed it.

alexander082006 said:
there is no mention of that, even Anti-spiral seems surprised by Simon being able to stand up against his power.

"No mention"

You mean besides the entire speech on how drills work?

alexander082006 said:
power progression, has always.

Finish your sentence

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
ahora escribiste en japonez no ahi problema?

スペイン語より上手

alexander082006 said:
nah a insane person won't even tell you something sane, they will probably say something like...don't know

So yeah, you'd qualify for insane then

alexander082006 said:
okay man

Are you suggesting it was all Simon?

alexander082006 said:
then why didn't they got killed instantly?if that is not tanking something, i don't know what it is

"Tanking" is shrugging off an entire attack. They were explicitly going to die if Lord Genome didn't intervene.

alexander082006 said:
to understand you

More like the show you're speaking of

alexander082006 said:
there are arguments to be made for that

Kek

alexander082006 said:
if you absorb a infinite multiverse, you get that feat of power, you can't absorb something so big, without yourself scaling to that think.

He only absorbs the other Simons, who are just sources of power at that point. They're making him stronger, he doesn't get stronger in order to absorb them

alexander082006 said:
then we are not that different in that part.

If that makes you feel better

alexander082006 said:
they will, because that will be ignoring the spiral power evolution capacity, which you seem to just call useless.

No they won't, because it's a demonstrated fact that Simon needs a massive external energy source to make that kind of leap. His normal growth can't perform those jumps.

alexander082006 said:
then it is a pointless point because we both know they are going to give it to him anyway

I literally never said they wouldn't give him STTGL or TTGL. I said that's his soft cap for the fight.

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
So? He still couldn't do it without outside assistance.

for preparing the drills probably.

CrossTheHorizon said:
They didn't exist until Simon perceived them, that's how the whole quantum mechanics thing works. Either way the point is that they aren't him. They exist outside of "base Simon"

yes, they exists outside of base Simon (obvious)

CrossTheHorizon said:
He didn't absorb an entire universe, he absorbed the other Simons he had been connected to through the Labyrinth. He didn't reach them on his own, he can't call on them outside that situation, and he needed their power (AND the power of the rest of Team Dai-Gurren) to form TTGL.

so what is this?
and this?

"When Simon awakens without hesitation, he intergrates with the multiverse and rescues the members of the Team Dai-Gurren from the endless chain of possibilities. Finally getting Nia back from the Anti-Spiral. As Gurren Lagann emitted a new light, the final evolution of Gurren Lagann began."

does it not look like he absorbed the universes themselves?????

CrossTheHorizon said:
I never said they wouldn't? I said he doesn't have anything that can push him past STTGL if he needed it.

i wonder how did he overpowered Anti-spiral

CrossTheHorizon said:
"No mention"

You mean besides the entire speech on how drills work?

And did that explanation include that the drill lost power or something like that?

CrossTheHorizon said:
Finish your sentence

i sentence you to...THE NOWHERE

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
スペイン語より上手

con el gran numero de palabras disponibles en el español?claro

CrossTheHorizon said:
So yeah, you'd qualify for insane then

then put me in a fucking asylum if you think i am insane.

CrossTheHorizon said:
Are you suggesting it was all Simon?

is more a 60/40

CrossTheHorizon said:
"Tanking" is shrugging off an entire attack. They were explicitly going to die if Lord Genome didn't intervene.

Lordgenome also wanted to die in that moment to turn the big bang into a drill (which hey, that is impressive for him considering that he was supposed to die from that)

CrossTheHorizon said:
More like the show you're speaking of

life

CrossTheHorizon said:
Kek

que

CrossTheHorizon said:
He only absorbs the other Simons, who are just sources of power at that point. They're making him stronger, he doesn't get stronger in order to absorb them

so you agree that he absorbs them

CrossTheHorizon said:
If that makes you feel better

nah my feelings don't matter to you

CrossTheHorizon said:
No they won't, because it's a demonstrated fact that Simon needs a massive external energy source to make that kind of leap. His normal growth can't perform those jumps.

man i love when you will be proven wrong...but i also when i am proven wrong and you will probably laugh at me, or probably not because i don't know

CrossTheHorizon said:
I literally never said they wouldn't give him STTGL or TTGL. I said that's his soft cap for the fight.

man, all your comments seem to imply that.

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
for preparing the drills probably.

He needed the ocean of Spiral Energy my guy.

alexander082006 said:
yes, they exists outside of base Simon (obvious)

And thus are not part of the power he personally generates

alexander082006 said:
so what is this?
and this?

Him absorbing the other Simons? Like you do see that the sky and planet he was on in the alternate universe are still there right.
https://imgur.com/a/XXS5ZY8

alexander082006 said:
does it not look like he absorbed the universes themselves?????

No

alexander082006 said:
i wonder how did he overpowered Anti-spiral

He didn't. Every single mech was torn apart by superior power. He only won because each one got him close enough he could just barely manage a final strike.

alexander082006 said:
And did that explanation include that the drill lost power or something like that?

How is "because we keep going we make incremental progress" hard to understand in this context.

alexander082006 said:
i sentence you to...THE NOWHERE

I sentence you to the clown dimension

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
He needed the ocean of Spiral Energy my guy.

he was already doing it himself, the ocean of spiral energy just gave him a boost

CrossTheHorizon said:
And thus are not part of the power he personally generates

what

CrossTheHorizon said:
Him absorbing the other Simons? Like you do see that the sky and planet he was on in the alternate universe are still there right.
(http://imgur.com/a/XXS5ZY8)

this is not a good argument, that place was not even neccesary to absorb.

CrossTheHorizon said:
No

there are hard ways to do it

CrossTheHorizon said:
He didn't. Every single mech was torn apart by superior power. He only won because each one got him close enough he could just barely manage a final strike.

yes, thats my point, all the mechs were torn apart because of the superior power, but Gurren Lagann didn't even when, it clearly should have been destroyed by the final strike (and again, there are no mentions of the drill getting weaker overtime)

CrossTheHorizon said:
How is "because we keep going we make incremental progress" hard to understand in this context.

then you are agreeing that he does progress in power, so what are we arguing?

CrossTheHorizon said:
I sentence you to the clown dimension

with this guy?shit sounds a better punishment

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
con el gran numero de palabras disponibles en el español?claro

日本語にはもっと正しい言葉があることに気づきます

alexander082006 said:
then put me in a fucking asylum if you think i am insane.

I would but they closed them all down

alexander082006 said:
is more a 60/40

Simon was sixty percent of turning the ocean into Spiral Energy? Did you lose the plot here?

alexander082006 said:
Lordgenome also wanted to die in that moment to turn the big bang into a drill (which hey, that is impressive for him considering that he was supposed to die from that)

Irrelevant? If he didn't do it they were all dead.

alexander082006 said:
life

Now you don't understand life?

.........you doing okay?

alexander082006 said:
que

If you want to argue Anti-Spiral outscales the Source, good luck

alexander082006 said:
so you agree that he absorbs them

The readily available source of Spiral Energy? Yeah

alexander082006 said:
nah my feelings don't matter to you

Uh, okay then?

alexander082006 said:
man i love when you will be proven wrong...but i also when i am proven wrong and you will probably laugh at me, or probably not because i don't know

.......what?

alexander082006 said:
man, all your comments seem to imply that.

None of them do though. From the start my only point was "He can't just jump a tier higher than STTGL during the fight"

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
he was already doing it himself, the ocean of spiral energy just gave him a boost

He couldn't do it. Like they were going to die if Kitan didn't do what he did.

Stop trying to invalidate the rest of Team Dai-Gurren

alexander082006 said:
what

The other Simons are independent sources of Spiral Energy Simon could not access outside the Labryinth.

alexander082006 said:
this is not a good argument, that place was not even neccesary to absorb.

"Was not necessary"

Literally what allows them to form TTGL

Kekimus Maximus

alexander082006 said:
there are hard ways to do it

There aren't when the universe is STILL THERE lmao

alexander082006 said:
yes, thats my point, all the mechs were torn apart because of the superior power, but Gurren Lagann didn't even when, it clearly should have been destroyed by the final strike (and again, there are no mentions of the drill getting weaker overtime)

My guy, Gurren Lagan and Lagan itself also get torn to bits by superior power immediately afterwords

Unless the Anti-Spiral just decided to only put ten percent of its power in the drill and saved the rest for the planet tentacles lmao

alexander082006 said:
then you are agreeing that he does progress in power, so what are we arguing?

That the progression of power isn't fast or sudden enough to facilitate another TTGL -> STTGL style power boost in the middle of the fight without an outside power source

alexander082006 said:
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with this guy?shit sounds a better punishment

Uh, have fun then?

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
日本語にはもっと正しい言葉があることに気づきます

da igual

CrossTheHorizon said:
I would but they closed them all down

sad for you

CrossTheHorizon said:
Simon was sixty percent of turning the ocean into Spiral Energy? Did you lose the plot here?

No????????????I meant credit to transform into super galaxy gurren lagann.
the other percentages go to Kittan

CrossTheHorizon said:
Irrelevant? If he didn't do it they were all dead.

when did i even put irrelevant?

CrossTheHorizon said:
Now you don't understand life?
.........you doing okay?

i am okay.

CrossTheHorizon said:
If you want to argue Anti-Spiral outscales the Source, good luck

man that will be problematic and complicated.

CrossTheHorizon said:
The readily available source of Spiral Energy? Yeah

spiral power is everywhere in the universe, after all it is literraly the connection of the universe and life

CrossTheHorizon said:
Uh, okay then?

ok

CrossTheHorizon said:
.......what?

interpret it as you wish

CrossTheHorizon said:
None of them do though. From the start my only point was "He can't just jump a tier higher than STTGL during the fight"

mmm

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
da igual

いいえ

alexander082006 said:
sad for you

Yeah, I don't have anywhere to put you now?

alexander082006 said:
No????????????I meant credit to transform into super galaxy gurren lagann.
the other percentages go to Kittan

That's not what we were talking about in that thread though. Also that percentage is made up

alexander082006 said:
when did i even put irrelevant?

You said "He wanted to die". Okay cool, if he didn't do it they were all dead anyway.

alexander082006 said:
i am okay.

Alrighty then

alexander082006 said:
man that will be problematic and complicated.

Then hush

alexander082006 said:
spiral power is everywhere in the universe, after all it is literraly the connection of the universe and life

Wait are you now arguing that Simon doesn't actually generate Spiral Energy himself?

alexander082006 said:
ok

Ok

alexander082006 said:
interpret it as you wish

I interpret it as "you need to buy a better translator"

alexander082006 said:
mmm

Uh

Concession accepted?

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

Also we're now just repeating shit and slowly reducing our responses to single work exchanges, so I'm gonna stop here

That was a weird conversation

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
He couldn't do it. Like they were going to die if Kitan didn't do what he did.

Stop trying to invalidate the rest of Team Dai-Gurren

all honesty, yeah i should not, but it is complicated for me to not discard them (unless you are Kittan, Joko, Viral and actually just summarised to the main ones)

CrossTheHorizon said:
The other Simons are independent sources of Spiral Energy Simon could not access outside the Labryinth.

the multiverse was already there

CrossTheHorizon said:
"Was not necessary"

Literally what allows them to form TTGL

ok

CrossTheHorizon said:
Kekimus Maximus

There aren't when the universe is STILL THERE lmao

there is also another statement that Simon absorbed all versions of him in every place, every time, the past, present and future, basically everywhere...if that does not include the entire multiverse then i don't know

CrossTheHorizon said:
My guy, Gurren Lagan and Lagan itself also get torn to bits by superior power immediately afterwords

okay

CrossTheHorizon said:
Unless the Anti-Spiral just decided to only put ten percent of its power in the drill and saved the rest for the planet tentacles lmao

the Anti spiral is supposed to be on equal terms with you (not in power)

CrossTheHorizon said:
That the progression of power isn't fast or sudden enough to facilitate another TTGL -> STTGL style power boost in the middle of the fight without an outside power source

nah

CrossTheHorizon said:
Uh, have fun then?

thanks

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
Also we're now just repeating shit and slowly reducing our responses to single work exchanges, so I'm gonna stop here

That was a weird conversation

yeah

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon said:
いいえ

ok

CrossTheHorizon said:
Yeah, I don't have anywhere to put you now?

...

CrossTheHorizon said:
That's not what we were talking about in that thread though. Also that percentage is made up

i was talking in my view

CrossTheHorizon said:
You said "He wanted to die". Okay cool, if he didn't do it they were all dead anyway.

i can see it

CrossTheHorizon said:
Alrighty then

ok

CrossTheHorizon said:
Wait are you now arguing that Simon doesn't actually generate Spiral Energy himself?

no?

CrossTheHorizon said:
Ok

I interpret it as "you need to buy a better translator"

Uh

Concession accepted?

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

Did you go out of your way to respond to all three posts only to then give me the final word by ending your response with my quote

What is happening right now

alexander082006 · May 15, 2025

man, i am weird, but i am not evil

Claudio Swiss · May 15, 2025

CrossTheHorizon · May 15, 2025

alexander082006 said:
man, i am weird, but i am not evil

Didn't say you were. In OBD terms what you and I just did barely qualifies as a fight

AcidSoup · May 15, 2025

Masterblack06 said:
Like if you have the evidence to upgrade the verse then make the meta thread, prove your stance and then if everyone cool YOU update the wiki.

@AcidSoup get cracking homeboy

Absolutely monstrous undertaking with a hundred things to go over and justify and such but it is necessary

(I have no idea how to make a verse meta thread too)

AcidSoup · May 15, 2025

Claudio Swiss said:

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