Toriyama: Powerscaling? Hah! What the fuck is that?Lmao I just realized something
remember how everyone kept saying “everyone is god tier in the anime”
and people insisted Goten/Trunks/Gotenks wasn’t?
well they’re keeping up with “god tier” SSJ Gohan just fine
why?So uh
According to spoilers, Vegeta says he wants to fight Jiren in the movie
He wants to test out his own strengthwhy?
tho if thats true that mean the idea that Jiren was left in the dust is another Head Canon buried
The fact that they couldn't do the same with the objectively better character in Hit.why?
tho if thats true that mean the idea that Jiren was left in the dust is another Head Canon buried
Hit was never relevant in Toriyama’s scriptThe fact that they couldn't do the same with the objectively better character in Hit.
I don't think it was in Tori's script that he's weaker than SS God, that's just something Trashtaro chose to do for his version. Lazeyama was okay with how Toei interpreted Hit in his intro arc.Hit was never relevant in Toriyama’s script
He was weaker than Super Saiyan God in his debut for the manga. He was always meant to be fodder. Only Toei made him stronger than he actually was
why?
tho if thats true that mean the idea that Jiren was left in the dust is another Head Canon buried
I don't think it was in Tori's script that he's weaker than SS God, that's just something Trashtaro chose to do for his version. Lazeyama was okay with how Toei interpreted Hit in his intro arc.
Regardless though, Toei made him better than Lazeyama's garbage ass script, if that actually was the case, and definitely made him much better than the trash ass canon fanfic manga did, though that's no surprise.
Yeah like I said head CanonI mean I always found it weird people believed Jiren was ever left in the dust at all. Dude required so much bullshit to even get ringed out and he STILL wasn't even done even after all of that, he just didn't want to get up.
It has a catch now? And Krillin had to be the one to remind him of his own technique? The fuckery just continues, doesn't it?Piccolo supposedly uses his giant form in the movie (“but with a catch”)
he forgot it existed until Krillin reminded him about it
The Moro arc literally HappenedIt has a catch now? And Krillin had to be the one to remind him of his own technique? The fuckery just continues, doesn't it?
My sides would launch into orbit if they retconned that steaming pile of dogshit arc, and the one after it, by basically no-selling their existence.The Moro arc literally Happened
How the hell Piccolo forgot about it unless goat boy didn't exist
I mean, Goku only got over him in the anime because of UI, so it stands to reason that, without it, he'd still be significantly weaker than Jiren. As would Vegeta.I said this on Nardoforums, but
In Toriyama’s mind, Super Saiyan Blue is the next strongest form after Ultra Instinct
that explains why Beerus hasn’t been surpassed yet despite the anime and manga churning out new forms…Toriyama isn’t aware of them
he knows about Ultra Instinct (and I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be stronger than the GoDs in Toriyama’s vision) but that’s locked out in the movies (the real canon)
that also explains why Jiren is still relevant….he wasn’t actually surpassed
Tbf it VjumpDoesn’t help that official material confirms it takes place after Moro
“Yeah, and I don’t think 17 was meant to be god tier either. Toyo and Toei (the latter even admitted it) threw him a bone too
out of the main cast (living on Earth), Toriyama only views Goku and Vegeta as god tier
maybe in his mind, god ki actually means something “
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