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EoS Ichigo vs Raditz

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TruthofHyperion said:
How hard is it for you idiots to understand that if a character does an action based on a certain event and it hasn't been shown once after that then it's most likely an outlier.
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Everyone here knows what an outlier is shit for brains, we also know that when a feat is performed consistently and backed up by various examples then it is not an outlier but a legit feat. We have seen the moon destroyed various times by that point so it makes zero sense to pretend it is not applicable just because you have a hate boner for power scaling. What's hilarious is how you're ignoring that you have failed to provide a single damn feat for Ichgio that would benefit him outside of powerscaling but that's okay because you just wanna hop on Ichigo's dick.
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
What's extremely ridiculous about this is that NeloAngelo already gave context to the DBS Manga shit that had the Celerian destroy the Moon to depower the Oozaru transformed Saiyans... and then they stomped them in Base anyway... which would mean that the Saiyans only used Oozaru because it's just easier, not that they needed it.

And a Base Saiyan would STILL be weaker than Raditz considering Raditz was explicitly stronger than a Grunt but at the level of a Saiyan Elite.
Meanwhile again, he has not shown a single iota of evidence of Ichigo being a Planet Buster, let alone near Raditz and you guys know me, I would be going to town if Ichigo was anything close to that.

Ichigo is Planetary, bare minimum and doesn't have the speed or DC to deal with Raditz... yet. He very much could but soloing DBZ?! Yeah no, I fully disbelieve that shit.
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Nah Raditz was always low class. Vegeta was a saiyan elite and toriyama confirmed a "mid class" which is what Nappa would be. This is further supported in Broly where you have Frieza (although he was obviously being condesending) calling the snipers with 2k "impressive"
 
Uoruk said:
Nah Raditz was always low class. Vegeta was a saiyan elite and toriyama confirmed a "mid class" which is what Nappa would be. This is further supported in Broly where you have Frieza (although he was obviously being condesending) calling the snipers with 2k "impressive"
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Huh? Swore Raditz was stronger than the typical Grunt... then it makes the DBS Manga scene make much more sense for his standing then lol.
 
Paxton said:
How is it an outlier if it happens several times?

Roshi destroys the moon, Piccoo destroys the moon, a random ass soldier that random Saiyans were beating in base destroyed a moon, etc.
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Because he doesn't understand what an outlier is and believes that unles the exact context in which they performed the feat is replicated then it isn't something that they can do normally despite the fact that the actions being taken are casual ki blasts they do all the time and there's nothing suggesting they can't use said power at will other than him complaining about it.

It's like saying Ichigo can only perfom his feats if his hair was orange.
 
NostalgiaFan said:
Oh man, that makes it even worse for Ichigo since DBZ Vegeta already has an attack called Big Bang Attack so that further takes away his chances of not getting buried.
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DBZ hitting Universe level before Battle of the Gods

:wow
 
Astaro said:
DBZ hitting Universe level before Battle of the Gods

:wow
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Always has been.
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:carlton
 
Yeah this is not how outliers work, you actually need good reason (beyond your own personal opinion) to believe a character can't replicate a feat and "they only did it when Oozaru were involved" is NOT a good reason, especially when stronger characters have gone further than destroying the moon when no Oozaru's were involved.

Which would be the other issue, in that an outlier would usually be the best feat in the series by a wide margin. The Moon busting feats aren't even fucking close to the best feats in Dragon Ball so how in the hell can they be outliers? :jordangif

Bleach has two feats at a planetary level and NEITHER is enough to get Ichigo over Raditz, much less soloing Dragon Ball Z.
 
Astaro said:
Low key, pretty freaking nuts how anime Frieza’s destruction of Namek lit up an entire galaxy

Plus, there’s Goku and Frieza accidentally destroying neighboring planets as a side effect of fighting

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Hopefully no life was on those planets :tupac
 
I'm sorry but did I ever deny there being planet level feats in DBZ? No.

I said that the moon bust in the series were outliers during that time, not planet busting. By your posts, you make your intelligence known.

I bet you can't show me a feat from Raditz that doesn't rely on scaling. Ichigo negging Ceros is example of a feat.

I try to explain this to DBZ lovers but it seems I can't get to them no matter how hard I try. Some of you didn't pay attention in school and it shows.

Adults...
 
TruthofHyperion said:
I'm sorry but did I ever deny there being planet level feats in DBZ? No.

I said that the moon bust in the series were outliers, not planet busting. By your posts, you make your intelligence known.
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Okay seriously, dude you are basically destroying whatever point you made by doing stuff like this. How can you say that there aren't Planet level feats but the 3 Moonbusting feats we see throughout the series(A random Celerian that then gets punked out by Raditz-tier fighters, Piccolo after he fought Raditz that didn't train and a Max Form Master Roshi destroying the Moon to stop Oozaru Kid Goku) are somehow outliers because...? Like there are 3-4 Planetary Destruction feats in canon in DBZ(Frieza destroying Planet Vegeta, Kid Buu destroying Earth, Cell's destruction of King Kai's Planet even if it's a Planetoid Frieza's slow detonation of Namek) so wouldn't those be outliers by your logic?

If we are going with what you are saying, Goku nor any of the Z-Fighters ever destroy a Planet on screen(outside of shit from the Anime) but then BoTG happens and Goku can threaten the entire Universe just clashing fists with Beerus?

TruthofHyperion said:
I bet you can't show me a feat from Raditz that doesn't rely on scaling. Ichigo negging Ceros is example of a feat.
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Ichigo doesn't have one either with scaling, again, I say this as a Bleach fan that has consistently scope the series out plenty of times. Ichigo literally doesn't have ANY feats that would put him even remotely on the scale of characters in Dragonball, let alone Z if we don't go by scaling.

TruthofHyperion said:
I try to explain this to DBZ lovers but it seems I can't get to them no matter how hard I try. Some of you didn't pay attention in school and it shows.
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You realize that no one is arguing this because "They love DBZ" right? I love Bleach and The Nasuverse FAR more than I ever love DBZ... and Ichigo would get his ass beat unless the TYBW Anime actually gives him a Large Planetary feat to not be destroyed by Raditz.

This is me, the same person who can hilariously admit Cu, Sigurd, Siegfried, Artoria and so many other Servants would hand Raditz his ass and actually win in the Saiyan Saga Arc/Namek Saga but only lose if the Anime feats are allowed.
 
TruthofHyperion said:
I'm sorry but did I ever deny there being planet level feats in DBZ? No.

I said that the moon bust in the series were outliers during that time, not planet busting. By your posts, you make your intelligence known.
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Except their not? You got two characters with about 100-200 difference in power level, Roshi and BoS DBZ Piccolo both moon busting. Its hardly an outlier, especially in the anime which has Saiyan Saga characters tossing planet busting attacks like candy.


TruthofHyperion said:
I bet you can't show me a feat from Raditz that doesn't rely on scaling. Ichigo negging Ceros is example of a feat.
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I bet you cant do the same with Ichigo's whose destruction feats are garbage and needs scaling too.

Raditz is one of the most clear cut examples of scaling. We see Piccolo blowing up the Moon with a generic blast right? Nothing short the same Piccolo's secret technique he made just for killing Goku could even scratch Raditz



To say Raditz doesnt scale to Piccolo despite being literally 3-4 times his power level at the time and required Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon sufficiently charged well beyond Piccolo's normal outputs to be beaten is disingenuous
TruthofHyperion said:
I try to explain this to DBZ lovers but it seems I can't get to them no matter how hard I try. Some of you didn't pay attention in school and it shows.

Adults...
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Coming from someone with no clue about how scaling works or what an outlier is.

Hint, it's not something demonstrated by 3 characters in a row now with Granolah arc that Raditz should scale too
 
Xhominid The Apex said:
The Metero Gremmy summoned? But considering and let us be real, the Seiretei is like the size of a City, maybe larger...
That Meteor would not even be close to anything on the level of a legit Planetoid, let alone a Moon so...
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Gremmy's meteor is garbage. Madara's dropped more impressive meteors.

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^ Literal side by side comparison of the meteor's size to Yhwach's castle.
 
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