EoS Ichigo vs Raditz

[Xhominid The Apex]

Yeah this is not how outliers work, you actually need good reason (beyond your own personal opinion) to believe a character can't replicate a feat and "they only did it when Oozaru were involved" is NOT a good reason, especially when stronger characters have gone further than destroying the moon when no Oozaru's were involved.

Which would be the other issue, in that an outlier would usually be the best feat in the series by a wide margin. The Moon busting feats aren't even fucking close to the best feats in Dragon Ball so how in the hell can they be outliers?

Bleach has two feats at a planetary level and NEITHER is enough to get Ichigo over Raditz, much less soloing Dragon Ball Z.

It's honestly insane he thinks we are asskissing Dragonball Z with the logic he's throwing around...
If we was legit asskissing Dragonball Z, we would be going at length about how they wouldn't even get past Dragonball or deal with Beginning of Z Goku and Piccolo... but we AREN'T doing that and hell, considering how we know that Volstandigt and Sklaveri can enhance the hax of the Quincy and can affect people above them like Uryu did to Shutara, it HILARIOUSLY obliterates even the hax argument since you effectively can just null it by being strong enough.

We literally have a thread that's recent that has Renji beating the dogshit out of Zoro and even agree that Bleach is Planetary... it's just that there are levels of Planetary and Raditz is above that... just like how there are Servants above that which would also toss the salad of the entire Bleachverse unless we get some real juicy shit in either this or the final Cour... which outside of Large Planetary+, I doubt we will get more than that.

 

[Asterion]

Except their not? You got two characters with about 100-200 difference in power level, Roshi and BoS DBZ Piccolo both moon busting. Its hardly an outlier, especially in the anime which has Saiyan Saga characters tossing planet busting attacks like candy.



I bet you cant do the same with Ichigo's whose destruction feats are garbage and needs scaling too.

Raditz is one of the most clear cut examples of scaling. We see Piccolo blowing up the Moon with a generic blast right? Nothing short the same Piccolo's secret technique he made just for killing Goku could even scratch Raditz



To say Raditz doesnt scale to Piccolo despite being literally 3-4 times his power level at the time and required Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon sufficiently charged well beyond Piccolo's normal outputs to be beaten is disingenuous

Coming from someone with no clue about how scaling works or what an outlier is.

Hint, it's not something demonstrated by 3 characters in a row now with Granolah arc that Raditz should scale too

It is an outlier, do you want to talk about a serious king piccolo only able to destroy a city?

Even if he did destroy the moon, it probably hit the core and caused it to explode since that's how most planets are destroyed in DBZ.

You cherrypick feats, you choose the showings of them busting a moon then you don't show the parts where other attacks hardly damage the surrounding area.

I never claim to know anything, don't get ahead of yourself. DBZ has never been consistent, don't overwork yourself thinking about it.

 

[Asterion]

Ichigo negs the verse because DBZ is inconsistent and fodder lmao.

 

[Claudio Swiss]

So uhhh can someone show me bleach planet or even moon level feats on screen plz n thank you

So where's my answer

 

[Astaro]

So even the most logical scaling as well as statements dont apply right?

So Ichigo gets none of the statements of his potential or characters saying how strong he is, like being a Soul King candidate, and no scaling to shit like SK Yhwach sustaining the realms, Senjumaru shaking the realms, Senna stopping the collision of two of them, Gremmy making a meteor, Kenpachi busting said meteor, etc.

Hell, he doesnt even get the benefit of past stuff like Ulquiorra's Lanza Del Relampago either, since that would require scaling him to Ulqiorra

So what is Ichigo's best feat? Cutting the top off a fucking hill while fighting Aizen?

Raditiz still mops the floor anyway since he casually fired two ki blasts that each obliterated an entire mountain range





You just can't top DBZ which is the king of Dakka in Shounen anime

 

[Claudio Swiss]

5 pages of this troll going stupid

 

[Papa Nier]

Raditz just needs a monkey sidekick to win

 

[Adamant soul]

It's honestly insane he thinks we are asskissing Dragonball Z with the logic he's throwing around...

Uh huh I mean I'm a Digimon fan but if it loses then it loses, it doesn't bother me.

If we was legit asskissing Dragonball Z, we would be going at length about how they wouldn't even get past Dragonball or deal with Beginning of Z Goku and Piccolo... but we AREN'T doing that and hell, considering how we know that Volstandigt and Sklaveri can enhance the hax of the Quincy and can affect people above them like Uryu did to Shutara, it HILARIOUSLY obliterates even the hax argument since you effectively can just null it by being strong enough.

If we were just glazing, we'd just say Roshi soloes and call it a day.

We literally have a thread that's recent that has Renji beating the dogshit out of Zoro and even agree that Bleach is Planetary... it's just that there are levels of Planetary and Raditz is above that... just like how there are Servants above that which would also toss the salad of the entire Bleachverse unless we get some real juicy shit in either this or the final Cour... which outside of Large Planetary+, I doubt we will get more than that.

Hell I admitted Ichigo would beat Tidus when we were talking about him vs FF protagonists and I like Tidus (and FF, X and XIII in particular) WAY more than Bleach or Dragon Ball for that later (at least for X anyway).

By extension Ichigo also beats Yuna and she's one of my favourite characters, period.

 

[Astaro]

It is an outlier, do you want to talk about a serious king piccolo only able to destroy a city?

Sure after we talk about Uryu in the latest episode getting hurt by Renju hurling him into a building that barely left a crater on it from the impact or how Yhwach got slattered by a Getsuga Tensho explosion that wouldnt even take out my backyard first.

Even if he did destroy the moon, it probably hit the core and caused it to explode since that's how most planets are destroyed in DBZ.

Wishful thinking. And you can't even bring up Frieza destroying Namek's as he only did that out of fear of getting damaged by the explosion enough that he held back the blast so that it only took out the planet's core

Made perfectly clear both in that scene explaining why he only busted the core and the gif I posted that he can vaporize entire planets like nothing.

You cherrypick feats, you choose the showings of them busting a moon then you don't show the parts where other attacks hardly damage the surrounding area.

Your lack of self-awareness is incredible.

I never claim to know anything, don't get ahead of yourself. DBZ has never been consistent, don't overwork yourself thinking about it.

You claimed Ichigo solos all of DBZ. But with the way you demand DBZ be argued, your boy Ichigo is barely a hill buster and still loses to Multi-Mountain busting Raditz

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

It is an outlier, do you want to talk about a serious king piccolo only able to destroy a city?

And then his reincarnation trained and lifewiped an Island:



What's your point? And yes, that's Goku blocking it all without even being actually hurt by it.

Even if he did destroy the moon, it probably hit the core and caused it to explode since that's how most planets are destroyed in DBZ.

...Moons... don't have Cores...
And I'm absolutely having Wiki and every known place to even see if that's true and it isn't.

You cherrypick feats, you choose the showings of them busting a moon then you don't show the parts where other attacks hardly damage the surrounding area.

...My brother in Christ, do not say this and then pretend Bleach is fucking different...

I never claim to know anything, don't get ahead of yourself. DBZ has never been consistent, don't overwork yourself thinking about it.

Neither is Bleach dude, no series is consistent in the fashion you are thinking of.

So where's my answer

I'll answer: None. The closest you get is the 3 Planets shaking which is calc'd at Planetary but nothing Shutara or anyone else does is Planetary onscreen.

Uh huh I mean I'm a Digimon fan but if it loses then it loses, it doesn't bother me.

It shouldn't bother anyone, it's just how it is if a series loses because others are stronger than it. It's just hypothesis at the end of the day.

If we were just glazing, we'd just say Roshi soloes and call it a day.

Considering DBS actually has Roshi train in secret? Yeah, I can fully say he could without irony.

Hell I admitted Ichigo would beat Tidus when we were talking about him vs FF protagonists and I like Tidus (and FF, X and XIII in particular) WAY more than Bleach or Dragon Ball for that later (at least for X anyway).

By extension Ichigo also beats Yuna and she's one of my favourite characters, period.

Ichigo would kick alot of Servants' asses right now as well as the Main and Supporting Characters of most Nasu works as they are when the story ends.
Yhwach would cheap plenty of them out as well due to The Almighty or them not having the right abilities to fuck him over.
There, I am being fair to Bleach in a huge way even saying that and plenty of my favorites are characters that would get stomped by Soul King Yhwach/Bankai Ichigo like non-Dark Sakura.... Sakura(Including Hollow Atraxia Sakura too).

 

[NostalgiaFan]

I'm sorry but did I ever deny there being planet level feats in DBZ? No.

Acting like someone who never showed off planet level feats themselves was basically implying it shit for brains.

I said that the moon bust in the series were outliers during that time, not planet busting. By your posts, you make your intelligence known.

Thanks for making your intelligence known by the fact you ignore I never said you denied there being planet level feats, only that you're nonsensical claim that Radditz can't be above moon level since he was clearly stronger than Piccolo who could do that with a simple blast, because "muh outliers" despite the fact that Moon busting being shown before indicates it is anything but.

P.S. you still failed to provide an actual feat of Ichigo ever destroying a moon yourself. Dingus.

I bet you can't show me a feat from Raditz that doesn't rely on scaling. Ichigo negging Ceros is example of a feat.

Earth to retard, by your own logic no it is not. A mere Cero blast means nothing, we see nothing indicating that it could blow up a fucking moon on its own and it shows nothing of Ichigo being moon level outside of, you guess it, power scaling. Literally no fucking different than what we do for Radditz power scaling off of Piccolo firing the same kind of blast he used to destroy the moon right in his fucking face and it does nothing.

You don't even follow your own asinine logic.

I try to explain this to DBZ lovers but it seems I can't get to them no matter how hard I try. Some of you didn't pay attention in school and it shows.

Adults...

Cute Self projection, too bad the only one acting like a kid who dropped out of school here is you. Your argument is full of more holes than Swiss cheese and the worst thing about is that you don't even follow it yourself, you just use it to try to get your pet verse to win on a random internet forum for nerds.

You're as disingenuous as you are pathetic.

 

[King]

Ichigo would kick alot of Servants' asses right now as well as the Main and Supporting Characters of most Nasu works as they are when the story ends.
Yhwach would cheap plenty of them out as well due to The Almighty or them not having the right abilities to fuck him over.
There, I am being fair to Bleach in a huge way even saying that and plenty of my favorites are characters that would get stomped by Soul King Yhwach/Bankai Ichigo like non-Dark Sakura.... Sakura(Including Hollow Atraxia Sakura too).

 

[Asterion]

Sure after we talk about Uryu in the latest episode getting hurt by Renju hurling him into a building that barely left a crater on it from the impact or how Yhwach got slattered by a Getsuga Tensho explosion that wouldnt even take out my backyard first.

Wishful thinking. And you can't even bring up Frieza destroying Namek's as he only did that out of fear of getting damaged by the explosion enough to hold back the blast enough that it only took out the planet's core

Made perfectly clear both in that scene explained for why he only busted the core and the gif I posted that he can vaporize entire planets like nothing.

Your lack of self-awareness is incredible.


You claimed Ichigo solos all of DBZ. But with the way you demand DBZ be argued, your boy Ichigo is barely a hill buster and still loses to Multi-Mountain busting Raditz

Even if you want to say that Raditz can Mountain Bust, he still gets damaged by Gohan who only has feats of destroying a small hill.

So even if Ichigo is fodder and can only destroy a hill, it'd still enough to take out Raditz lmao.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

No matter how you look at it, Raditz loses. Go cry abou it lmao.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I'm not lying nor is that backsass either...

The Hassans outside of King Hassan, Hans, Elizabeth Bathory and Camilla(Minus Corroded Elizabeth), Mordred(Though it depends on how you classify Clarent at points), Shirou Emiya, Kotomine, Shizuki, Kuzuki, and I can go on but the point has been made.
Soul King Yhwach, Ichigo, Renji, Uryu and the Schuztstaffel post-Auschwalen boost, Aizen and Grimmjow would beat alot of people's asses in the Nasuverse.

It's just that in the grand scheme of things, being Planetary means jack and of shit in the Nasuverse and there are far more characters well past Planetary and straight into Star levels and above which no one in Bleach is at.

 

[Asterion]

I never said Bleach was consistent, why is reading so hard for some people.

DBZ is super inconsistent, even compared to other animes.

The verse just loses by default for being trash and faulty. Ichigo negs Raditz, deal with it.

 

[Astaro]

Even if you want to say that Raditz can Mountain Bust, he still gets damaged by Gohan who only has feats of destroying a small hill.

Still better that that tiny Getsuga he did against Yhwach

So even if Ichigo is fodder and can only destroy a hill, it'd still enough to take out Raditz lmao.

No because Raditz can’t be hurt by Piccolo, who even if you argued his moon busting feat is an outlier, still has this feat of razing an entire country



Piccolo’s Special Beam Cannon >>>> over that.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

No matter how you look at it, Raditz loses. Go cry abou it lmao.

I’m trying to be civil here with you besides the sarcasm. You can at least return the gesture to make up for you inability to debate in good faith or debate at all for that matter

 

[NostalgiaFan]

Even if you want to say that Raditz can Mountain Bust, he still gets damaged by Gohan who only has feats of destroying a small hill.

Except not only does Gohan get told and shown to us in the story to get far fucking stronger when angry, his only feat at all was damaging Radditz, who noticed how he was stronger than both Goku and Piccolo based off his scanner prior. Way to show you don't pay attention sherlock.

So even if Ichigo is fodder and can only destroy a hill, it'd still enough to take out Raditz lmao.

Not when he took a direct hit from Piccolo's blast that was enough to blow up a moon you fucking dingus.
Not to mention the part where he blocked Goku's charged up Kamehameha wave so once again lol.

Congratulations, you played yourself.

Oh the sheer fucking irony and lack of self-awareness.

No matter how you look at it, Raditz loses. Go cry abou it lmao.

No matter how hard you try to deny it, your mother would have saved us all so much time if she spit instead of swallowed.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I never said Bleach was consistent, why is reading so hard for some people.

You very much implied it which is no different than saying it.

DBZ is super inconsistent, even compared to other animes.

Actually, I can name far more "inconsistent" series than DBZ... like Bleach, The Nasuverse, Digimon, Final Fantasy, etc. There's a reason why I despise using consistency as a basis of debates because unless it's a stick to stop outliers from being used, no series is genuinely consistent. You can have a character be like Saitama and absolutely defy physics and be a threat to the whole Planet on accident and move FTL... then there are those times where Saitama can't kill a mosquito, can get hurt by a Cat and a Piko Hammer and can barely find crime at all in a City despite being capable of moving at FTL.

The verse just loses by default for being trash and faulty. Ichigo negs Raditz, deal with it.

Really showing that bias there...

 

[Asterion]

Still better that that tiny Getsuga he did against Yhwach

No because Raditz can’t be hurt by Piccolo, who even if you argued his moon busting feat is an outlier, still has this feat of razing an entire country



Piccolo’s Special Beam Cannon >>>> over that.

I’m trying to be civil here with you besides the sarcasm. You can at least return the gesture to make up for you inability to debate in good faith or debate at all for that matter

Didn't raze an entire country, quit lying. It's clearly an island. Use your brain.

Reached about 85 percent of it too, maybe Island level.

I'm only being hostile because your buddies were PM'ing me insults and dumping negative rep points.

 

[Asterion]

I'm not even a bleach fan, I like dragon ball buts lets not pretend the verse isn't inconsistent and has a trash fanbase lmao.