Irradiance
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Witch Senate (Umineko) for S+
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Fantasy race/faction ranking
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seth
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please state what rank they would be. shadow hearts, endlessm i can qualify the rest i can`t.
seth
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star wars is sci-fantasy. Again please state what rank they would be
Do you mean the factions power or their holdings? Plus there's a good distance in scope between the tiers (S & A, B & C). Plus "medieval" isn't really a power level in itself.
Anyway...
S+: Aedra (The Elder Scrolls), Daedric Princes (The Elder Scrolls), Magne Ge (The Elder Scrolls), The Tribunal (The Elder Scrolls), The Dwemer (The Elder Scrolls), Beam Guardians (The Dark Tower), The Old Ones (The Dark Tower), Old High Ones (Discworld), The Endless (DC), The Cabal (The Unwritten), Voyagers (Umineko)
S: Septim Empire (The Elder Scrolls), The Aldmeri Dominion (The Elder Scrolls), Celestials (The Elder Scrolls), The Hist (The Elder Scrolls), The Warring Triad (Final Fantasy VI), The Royal Family of Amber (The Chronicles of Amber), The Courts of Chaos (The Chronicles of Amber), The House (Keys to the Kingdom), Nine Old Witches (Little Witch Academia), Demons From Beyond (Yragaël/Urm), Pantheon of Twelve (Wakfu/Dofus), the Meridias (Wakfu/Dofus), The Magesterium (His Dark Materials), Chaos (Warhammer Fantasy), Nobles (Nobilis), Excrucians (Nobilis), The Seven (Kill Six Billion Demons)
A: Eliatropes (Wakfu), Mechasms (Wakfu), The Ainur (Lord of the Rings), Lunarians (Final Fantasy IV), Shinra (Final Fantasy VII), The Eldila (The Space Trilogy), Shardbearers (Cosmere), The Aylields (The Elder Scrolls), Khajiit (The Elder Scrolls), Zargothrax's demon hordes (Gloryhammer), Hootsforce (Gloryhammer), The Space Knights of Crail (Gloryhammer), Questlords of Inverness (Gloryhammer), Astral Dwarfs of Aberdeen (Gloryhammer), Citadel Guardians (Adventure Time), Angels (Bastard!!)
B: Gestal Empire (Final Fantasy VI), Kingdom of Baron (Final Fantasy IV), Kingdom of Zeal (Chrono Trigger), The Dragon Cult (The Elder Scrolls), Croix's Magitronixs (Little Witch Academia), Olympian pantheon (God of War), Norse pantheon (God of War), Lordran (Dark Souls), Greek Pantheon (Riordanverse)
C: The Greybeards (The Elder Scrolls), The Sload (The Elder Scrolls), Numenor (Lord of the Rings), Mordor (Lord of the Rings), The Wild Hunt (The Witcher), The Final Empire (Cosmere), Amestris (Fullmetal Alchemist), Empire of the Isles (Dishonoured), Aslan's Army (The Chronicles of Narnia), Jadis' Army (The Chronicles of Narnia)
D: Nilfgaard (The Witcher), Redania (The Witcher), Gondor (Lord of the Rings), Rohan (Lord of the Rings), The Fellowship of the Ring (Lord of the Rings), Shadow Army (Deltora Quest)
Will add more later if I think of any.
Anyway...
S+: Aedra (The Elder Scrolls), Daedric Princes (The Elder Scrolls), Magne Ge (The Elder Scrolls), The Tribunal (The Elder Scrolls), The Dwemer (The Elder Scrolls), Beam Guardians (The Dark Tower), The Old Ones (The Dark Tower), Old High Ones (Discworld), The Endless (DC), The Cabal (The Unwritten), Voyagers (Umineko)
S: Septim Empire (The Elder Scrolls), The Aldmeri Dominion (The Elder Scrolls), Celestials (The Elder Scrolls), The Hist (The Elder Scrolls), The Warring Triad (Final Fantasy VI), The Royal Family of Amber (The Chronicles of Amber), The Courts of Chaos (The Chronicles of Amber), The House (Keys to the Kingdom), Nine Old Witches (Little Witch Academia), Demons From Beyond (Yragaël/Urm), Pantheon of Twelve (Wakfu/Dofus), the Meridias (Wakfu/Dofus), The Magesterium (His Dark Materials), Chaos (Warhammer Fantasy), Nobles (Nobilis), Excrucians (Nobilis), The Seven (Kill Six Billion Demons)
A: Eliatropes (Wakfu), Mechasms (Wakfu), The Ainur (Lord of the Rings), Lunarians (Final Fantasy IV), Shinra (Final Fantasy VII), The Eldila (The Space Trilogy), Shardbearers (Cosmere), The Aylields (The Elder Scrolls), Khajiit (The Elder Scrolls), Zargothrax's demon hordes (Gloryhammer), Hootsforce (Gloryhammer), The Space Knights of Crail (Gloryhammer), Questlords of Inverness (Gloryhammer), Astral Dwarfs of Aberdeen (Gloryhammer), Citadel Guardians (Adventure Time), Angels (Bastard!!)
B: Gestal Empire (Final Fantasy VI), Kingdom of Baron (Final Fantasy IV), Kingdom of Zeal (Chrono Trigger), The Dragon Cult (The Elder Scrolls), Croix's Magitronixs (Little Witch Academia), Olympian pantheon (God of War), Norse pantheon (God of War), Lordran (Dark Souls), Greek Pantheon (Riordanverse)
C: The Greybeards (The Elder Scrolls), The Sload (The Elder Scrolls), Numenor (Lord of the Rings), Mordor (Lord of the Rings), The Wild Hunt (The Witcher), The Final Empire (Cosmere), Amestris (Fullmetal Alchemist), Empire of the Isles (Dishonoured), Aslan's Army (The Chronicles of Narnia), Jadis' Army (The Chronicles of Narnia)
D: Nilfgaard (The Witcher), Redania (The Witcher), Gondor (Lord of the Rings), Rohan (Lord of the Rings), The Fellowship of the Ring (Lord of the Rings), Shadow Army (Deltora Quest)
Will add more later if I think of any.
ive seen all of it and The Return lol it's my favorite show. I've just never agreed with omniversal Twin Peaks or whatever people want to call it
as far as I know these claims originated with the VSB threads
https://vsbattles.com/threads/twin-peaks-upgrades-again-possible-tier-0-revisions.69182/
but this thread is nonsense for many reasons and isn't even internally consistent. The primary issue is you can't scale David Lynch being a follower of transcendental meditation to his fiction unless said fiction, or his statements related to it, directly tie them together. The Unified Field is not directly mentioned anywhere in the show, and nobody even addresses the Mauve Sea directly in The Return. Inland Empire has far more direct references to transcendental meditation and it still wouldn't be enough to give that movie of all things omniversal scaling. The logic they're using to justify it is equivalent to giving the Great Ones in Bloodborne the same scaling as Lovecraft based solely on the fact that Miyazaki drew inspiration from Lovecraft's stuff. It doesn't add up. It's essentially using fan theories to justify power levels.
Then the guy followed up with this thread, which is (I think) why it's been accepted on VSB
https://vsbattles.com/threads/twin-peaks-high-1-a-upgrades-possibly.79118/
But this is still a bit unclear
I'll fully admit maybe I just forgot something here, Twin Peaks is very complex and there's a lot of details and symbolism that are hard to keep track of, but I don't remember anything about infinite higher realms in the show. Again admittedly, maybe this is from one of the text stories and other material by Frost, but it isn't cited and the bulk of the scaling relies on it. An infinite amount of realms doesn't necessarily equate to omniversal anyways and the "higher vibrational strings" thing is kinda vague on its own. The Fractal bit makes the universe out to be infinite more than anything else.
I know there's tons of metafictional shit in Twin Peaks but that isn't uncommon in fiction and had never been enough to boost something that high, least from what I've seen. I just haven't seen enough to be convinced
seth
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Their power. By medieval I mean factions who are comparable to medieval armies. Basically the best they would have is numbers and power equilevant to bullet or cannon. Weak factions with weak magic basically.
Maddie
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I am making a write up to explain, but to just clear up, there is direct reference
Basically Bill Hastings has an ARG site called Search for the Zone which was used to give hints to what the cosmology of Twin Peaks looks like, and it gives links to articles by Kenneth Grant's unified field theory and levels of reality and parallel realities. In it, it explains parallel universes all reside in what he deems the "fifth dimension" which actually an infinite series of higher realities existing at an increasingly higher vibrational electric frequencies.
The way he explained it would make it at a low end multi+ IIRC, but the way the show actually used it made it far higher than that. I will need to discuss it with my friend.
Basically Bill Hastings has an ARG site called Search for the Zone which was used to give hints to what the cosmology of Twin Peaks looks like, and it gives links to articles by Kenneth Grant's unified field theory and levels of reality and parallel realities. In it, it explains parallel universes all reside in what he deems the "fifth dimension" which actually an infinite series of higher realities existing at an increasingly higher vibrational electric frequencies.
The way he explained it would make it at a low end multi+ IIRC, but the way the show actually used it made it far higher than that. I will need to discuss it with my friend.
seth
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Basically in terms of power for the tiers
S+ megaversal to omniversal
S universal to multiversal
A planetary to above
B below planetary but above nuke level
C peaks at nuke level
D weak, can be beaten by modern armies.
Brood/Dragon Clan (Breath of Fire I, II, & III) - A
Harmonixer (Shadow Hearts) - S
Heroes (Fable) - B
Well if this is the case then Equestria should be moved up to Tier A, the only reason I didn't put them in it before was because you said "space-fairing" factions for Tier A before which Equestria isn't, but they are casually solar system level at the high and top tiers.
Changeling Empire can stay at B though.
alright I'll wait to see the full writeup (also I wasn't aware of the ARG site having direct links so that's neat). always interested in learning more about Twin Peaks even if the power level thing was iffy to me