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Giygas vs Arceus

Stocking Anarchy

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To commemorate the boost Earthbound/Mother got recently. Giygas from Earthbound vs Arceus from Pokemon. Who will win?
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To commemorate the boost Earthbound/Mother got recently. Giygas from Earthbound vs Arceus from Pokemon. Who will win?
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Is it from what I've posted?
Ness underwent training from Poo’s master in the manga, reaching mastery of his abilities.
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Ness has defeated four of Onett’s most well-trained police officers, as well as their captain, and impressed his martial-arts-master friend, Poo, with his combat prowess despite never training.


The item Eraser Eraser erases erasers/anything eraser shaped. In Japan the item erases a statue shaped like a limbless doll, known as a “Kokeshi”. In the novel these are small devices which target objects of a single predetermined shape and destroy them on a molecular level regardless of material.

Ness has two interesting items in the manga. Mr. Saturn Hat is a sentient hat gifted to Ness, it can block attacks for him and fire energy at an opponent.
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Glue Bombs are containers of Super Glue that Ness used to trap a swarm of zombies.
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Ness's PK Rockin takes the form of an energy fastball in the novel, which was used to smash the antenna nose of a robot.

Healing in the novel, said healing is potent enough to even repair broken bones and it is stated that his “spirit” was restored.

Ness had telekinesis since his very birth. Even as an infant, he was capable of bending spoons and moving little bottles.

In the novel, after becoming a master in combat Ness was able to reach the State of Nothingness. In this state Ness can fight and/or protect himself without needing any forethought or will to fight. It’s stated to be like Auto Mode in a jrpg.

In the novel with intense concentration, Ness is capable of astral projection, separating his mind from his body, in a process compared to “trying to leave your own shadow”, in order to enter other people’s mindscapes.

With enough mental stress and trauma a PSI user can release a PSI Burst and use their full potential without restraint. However it causes massive damage to the area and everyone around them in a multitude of ways. It is possible to hold this “burst” in, though it does massive damage to the user. It does however speed up their thoughts five to tenfold.
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In the novels, the Melodies allow Ninten (Also known as Ken in the novels) and his friends to view different points in time mixing together in a random sequence, until they view the lives of George and Maria.
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If Ness wants to return to his real body, he can release his soul from the current body he’s in and join back with it. Andonuts was even unsure of Ness and co being able to come back from the past, yet they pulled it off. Time travel only applies to souls, as it would destroy Ness’ body.

Ness is told he is part of a fated destiny by the talking rock. We are told in the novel, Ness is a Kumari (a god born into a human body in Poo’s culture) for the entire Earth.

The Rock says: “Your fate is not merely your own. Everything that makes you who you are overlaps every part of the universe, and all living things.” This is also said in the literal translation for Earthbound.
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When Ness reaches the Rift of Time (where all forms and possibilities of existence, and every one of the multiple dimensions in the universe form and return to) in the novel, he says: “I am…the universe. My fate, and the fate of the universe, are one and the same. They are merging together….”.
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Both the novel and game indicate some degree of fate exists. Paula’s prayers are said to have crossed time all the way to the end of the thread of fate.
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Porky Minch assisted Giygas in an attempt to prevent the latter’s prophesied defeat against the Chosen Ones.

This led to Giygas being strong enough to effortlessly overpower the Chosen Ones and giving to him the 99% of chances to win.

Despite this, Giygas was defeated in the end after that Paula called the Player to help her and the other Chosen Ones in surviving against him. Fate intervening for any of the Chosen One’s directly though is not directly shown in either the game or the novel.

The Rift of Time gave Ness a level of understanding he did not have prior, but Paula’s prayers were needed to overcome Giygas/Porky in the novel.
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Ness and any playable character can see and hurt ghosts and abstract beings.

Looks like Ness and his party can breathe underwater for an indefinite amount of time.

Ness's PSI abilities in Super Smash Bros is stated that he learned some of them from Paula and Poo (though by the end of the Earthbound it states that he knows every PSI ability).
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Such as PK Fire, PK Thunder, PSI Magnet, PK Starstorm and levitation.
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In Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS, Ness has some unlockable moves such as PK Freeze, Rising PK Flash (This move is a PK Flash that just keeps rising, although it deals less damage and has less sideways movement. It also moves a lot faster and has a longer explosive range.), PK Bonfire (This move doesn’t travel as far as regular PK Fire, however the fire pillar will last much longer and will do much more damage.), PK Fire Burst (This version creates a blast of fire that knocks enemies away instead of creating a pillar of flames, along with the lightning bolt traveling further, at the cost of being weaker.), PSI Vacuum (This version sucks enemies near him before causing an explosion of electricity to attack when he releases it, at the cost of it being unable to suck in projectiles to heal him.), Forward PSI Magnet (This version creates the psychic field in front of Ness that still absorbs energy projectiles to heal him and deals more damage to enemies in the field when he releases it instead of pushing them back, at the cost of not absorbing energy projectiles from behind him and hurting enemies when he brings it up.), Lasting PK Thunder (This version creates a less damaging electric orb that can hit enemies multiple times as opposed to just once and can be controlled more easily. When he knocks it into himself, he launches himself further and hits enemies multiple times instead of just once at the cost of it also dealing less damage.), and Rolling PK Thunder (This version creates a larger and more damaging electric orb at the cost of it being slower and harder to control. When he knocks it into himself, he launches himself harder into enemies to deal much more damage at the cost of not going as far.)

In the manga, Ness Is unable to be entered by two psychic creatures due to how strong his spiritual circuitry is.
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Ness and his party can endure the Atomic Reactor Robot’s explosion without suffering any adverse effects from the radiation.

Ness and his party can use several Bracelets or Bands throughout their adventure, but the Goddess Band is by far the best one, giving them +80 defense, +30 Luck and preventing him from being put to sleep. Pixie’s Bracelet, Cherub’s Band, and the Goddess Band all increase resistance to Hypnosis while
lowering resistance to Brainshock.

The Night, Sea, and Star Pendants gives Ness and his party near full immunity to PK Flash and its effects, including instant death

Ness can dodge attacks even while frozen in time by the Dali’s Clock.
 
In both the game and the manga, Ness gets empowered by the Power of the Earth to combat Giygas. In the game, it is tied to Magicant, though in the manga it is its own power source. Ness and his friends call out to the Earth, which empowers them with a massive amount of energy. This power allows them to defeat Giygas in one blast, and destroy his dimension.
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On imgur, Ness and Poo summoning multiple meteors to the ground was calced at 75.5 Megatons of TNT in Super Smash Bros.


Thunder & Storm can make/summon storms.


In the novel, Ana can generate an event compared to a Supernova or White Hole.
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In the novel, if Ness loses control of his powers, Ness is capable of accidentally bursting the sun, trembling the Earth and shattering the sky.
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In the manga, calling upon the power of the Earth, completely destroyed Giygas as well as his entire dimension. Ness even survived the collapse of Giygas's entire universe.
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In the manga, calling upon the power of the Earth, defeated Giygas, who created a shockwave that affected the entire 4th dimensional time axis and threw it into chaos, which exists over infinite timelines. Ness can avoid attacks from and tag Giygas.
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Ness has reacted to electricity in the manga.
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In imgur, Poo pulling in meteors to Earth was calced at Mach 3820.


In imgur, Ness using Teleport to accelerate himself fast enough to move across continents in seconds was calced at Mach 6262.


Mother 3 party who can dodge light.


On imgur this was calced at 7% SoL.

Ness and his party can dodge beams.

In the novel, Ness is capable of causing the sun to explode. The speed of this was calced at 0.92c-99c on imgur.
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In the manga, Ness created an attack that collapsed Giygas’s entire home universe inward, and reacted to it. The speed of this was calced at 146.642 Quadrillion c on imgur.
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In the manga, summonining the energy of the Power of Earth to him from another universe in an incredibly short timeframe was calced at 586 Quadrillion c on imgur.

In the novel Poo can perceive every living organism from all of time. On imgur this was calced at 18 Million c.
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Ness and his party can survive multiple stomps from giant dinosaurs like the Wetnosaur.

Multiple blows from a massive Kraken aren’t enough to put Ness and his party down.

Ness and his party can survive multiple attacks from a prolonged battle with Giygas, who can destroy entire universes.
 
Imma say Giygas due to being so abstract and goddamn powerful to the point of needing legit fourth wall territory levels of intervention from a higher entity like the Player to actually put him down for good.

Either that or it's a tie if we're assuming True Forms for both of them? I dunno.
 
This is not a requirement to put Giygas down. That prayer from the Player was overkill in hindsight
Guess that shows just what a tough ass motherfucker Giygas is. And how nasty he really is.

Giygas tanking universal-level attacks from Ness without a scratch for the most part is no small or little feat either.
 

Gordo

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Giving it to Gigyas. Based on everything @Papa Nier posted
Nah, Arceus still wins

The Earthbound manga is its own continuity (non-canon) and even then Giygas’ feat is unquantifiable. He bent space-time but that’s all you can get out of the time axis thing

If anything, Giygas is closer to the Creation Trio. Arceus is too much for him to handle
 
Nah, Arceus still wins

The Earthbound manga is its own continuity (non-canon) and even then Giygas’ feat is unquantifiable. He bent space-time but that’s all you can get out of the time axis thing

If anything, Giygas is closer to the Creation Trio. Arceus is too much for him to handle
Disagree with Arceus being too much for Giygas or him winning, but IRYO.
 
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