GT Goku vs Uub (Rematch)
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Crimson Dragoon
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No real solid evidence, but I think Oob at least surpassed Base Goku at this point
Goku might be pushed to Super Saiyan and wins
Goku might be pushed to Super Saiyan and wins
It’s possible
he did call Goku’s power “tremendous” when he felt his ki
then again Baby used a stronger Revenge Death Ball against base Goku, Mr. Buu handled it much better than Uub would have too
Still kind of funny that we got:
GT Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku being > Kid Buu
Same GT Goku says Rildo is > Buu (realistically we can surmaize based off Goku's experience and first-hand knowledge that he's either referring to a) Majin Buu (Fat form, pre-Good and Bad personalities splitting, b) Super Buu and sensed his power up and more combat oriented body change as Piccolo stated on the lookout when they were training the boys to use the Fusion Dance, or c) basing it off Super Buu after he had absorbed Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks).
I've never bought the argument that Rildo was > Buu (Gohan absorbed).
That said Majin Buu fusing with Uub gave a way better fight against Super Baby 2 Vegeta then GT Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku did.
GT Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku being > Kid Buu
Same GT Goku says Rildo is > Buu (realistically we can surmaize based off Goku's experience and first-hand knowledge that he's either referring to a) Majin Buu (Fat form, pre-Good and Bad personalities splitting, b) Super Buu and sensed his power up and more combat oriented body change as Piccolo stated on the lookout when they were training the boys to use the Fusion Dance, or c) basing it off Super Buu after he had absorbed Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks).
I've never bought the argument that Rildo was > Buu (Gohan absorbed).
That said Majin Buu fusing with Uub gave a way better fight against Super Baby 2 Vegeta then GT Super Saiyan 3 Kid Goku did.
Goku implies base Baby Vegeta’s power is amazing but not unprecedented (which means he’s encountered power like his before) and this Baby was still way stronger than Rildo. So there’s definitely conflicting statements about the power-scale
basically that line from him implies Base Baby Vegeta = Buuhan in power
for the purpose of the thread this was before Uub merged with Buu tho
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Crimson Dragoon
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It’s anime continuity, so Angry Boohan that was breaking the dimensional walls could be used as the benchmark
Boohan would still be fodder overall at that point except for one power spike that he can’t really control
That’s possible too
Goku vaguely compares his power to Buu and Goten only ever encountered Fat Majin Buu (pre-split) and Super Buu. I don't believe for one second Goku even alludes the compared power of Baby with when he and Vegeta were fused as Vegito against Buu (Gohan absorbed)/Buuhan. End of the day, I don't think Rildo is stronger then Buutenks or Buuhan.
Goku actually does fight Buuhan in the anime, which leads to Baby being pretty far up the Z power totem
with Rildo it’s anyone’s guess, his power is up for debate
He doesn't fight Buuhan, he runs away from him. GT was billed as Toei's own take on it being a sequel to Z but we have no idea if the anime actually directly followed Toei land filler into its continuity or not. Same with how all of Toei's original Z movies follow to the anime and the manga series but generally don't give specific times or places; Movie 8 set ambigiously at some point during the period of the Cell Games's ten day countdown or Movie 9 set between a few months to a year with Future Trunks returning to visit everyone.
Erring on the side of caution, we can only assume where GT still lines up when it can with the original manga that Goku ever fought fat Majin Buu, was scared shitless of normal Super Buu, and terrified of Buutenks and Buuhan, witnessed Buff Buu's power (exceeding Super Buu's), and then how it got much weaker in Kid/Pure Buu. Its a stretch to go to Buuhan and Buutenks.
Yes.
Goku and Vegeta do fight him, even if they were losing. Goku fights Buutenks too. Maybe Toei didn’t have this scene in their minds but it has to be someone above Super Buu
It can’t be anyone they fought in space like Rildo since those guys didn’t force Goku to go SSJ3 so he’s definitely referring to someone in the Z era
You aren't understanding my point at all. Its irrelevant that anime-filler Goku and Vegeta fought Buuhan in Z, we have no idea if Toei's added scenes and invented content from DBZ's anime carries over into GT. Point is we would still default to the original manga to bridge things between it and GT, even if GT is Toei's own creation. Canonically, Vegeta and Goku never fought Buuhan and Goku only ever fought Majin Buu (Fat form, pre-splitting good and bad halves) and Kid Buu.
We can't infer he was alluding to Buuhan when comparing him with Baby Vegeta.
Crimson Dragoon
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I just go with Base Rildo > Kid/Pure Boo
OrlandoSky
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Why wouldn't they? It's literally the same continuity they even reference a couple of the movies and Hell is the same HFIL version as the anime where they're all in detention together and not the one from the manga where the victim is succumbed to their own personal isolated dimension of horrors. It would also be weird to lowball Baby Vegeta to below Buuhan level when Base Kid Goku was completely unimpressed with the combined power of SSJ GT Gohan and SSJ Goten.
Both GT and Super anime take non-canon characters like Cooler and Gregory despite neither appearing in the Manga. Neither are “canon” to the manga, and so its easier to assume they take the anime continuity because that is what is referenced repeatedly
Baby Vegeta at his peak is definitely above Buuhan
Goku doesn’t have to fight him to know, he’s already felt Buuhan’s ki before. It’s not a fighting thing, it’s a “he’s already seen the power” thing
if you’re referring to Baby’s weaker forms (anything below SBV1), then I can see what you mean if you want to follow the manga route
Goku doesn’t have to fight him to know, he’s already felt Buuhan’s ki before. It’s not a fighting thing, it’s a “he’s already seen the power” thing
if you’re referring to Baby’s weaker forms (anything below SBV1), then I can see what you mean if you want to follow the manga route
DB villains are generally always stronger than the previous. I’d be surprised if he weren’t stronger.