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Nothing I have done is shocking and disappointing, you are parading around the same reads as a clown using chatgpt who happened to rand his solve on my name using AI
 
Lappland said:
Actually there is something I wanna talk about


it is something called integrity. It is not often that I have like the chance to talk about this, but regardless. Mafia as a game is like very important to me, I love it a lot. More so than I imagine anyone else. I still often think back on games I played in 2015 for example and what I did there and why. How my play changed across these years.

So at one point I realised something, many people do not realise this sadly. Winning and losing only matters in certain contexts. The stakes of the game and the level of play, what actually happened in it. For example I lost a game recently, I was the n2 kill from the wolf team. I actually sorted them all correctly and even lynched 2 back to back. Too bad the rest of town was actually afk and only posted 5 times. So the game was lost in f3 after my death. So I asked myself? Does this loss matter? Well not really, the village did not play at all. How could I win this game, if the villagers don't show up to play it. Likewise I have seen afk wolf teams win games. Does it really count if the winning wolf team has 3 posts among them? You can't reasonably find them. Some people might realise that like not posting at all, might reward them victories, but do these victories really count? No, not at all.

They are as worthless as the play displayed. So where am I going with this? Well it matters a lot to me how I win and why. I could probably find 200 ways to cheat the game in spirit, but win which are completely legal. But these wins would be as meaningful as if I had just disappeared for 3 dayphases.

And here I see a bunch of people, well a wolf team, capitalizing on a bunch of headless villagers who can't really tell their head from their tail. So what to do? Should I take it up the chin? Accept that you guys simply do not care about the game enough to give it the effort it deserves? Maybe, it would definetely keep my sanity more in check. I am prone to aggression after all.

But a part in me wants to see you guys fail. It is precisely because you do not wanna spare the effort, that I try to give. You fall for the easiest libel, you endore openly cheating players like Alexis as town, you do not question narratives. And all in all, I would love to say certain things, but once I do people will cry foul and how much I insulted them. But nonetheless, people should be challenged on their view points more often and if I have to do it, then I hate sugar coating it. Too many times we engage in stupid hugboxes in this game and I don't like it. If we can't face valid criticism then, we are not made for a game that is about criticizing thought processes, manipulating people and the likes.
I also feel like people demand this surgical and often robotic play without fervor and spirit. I am personally not a fan of it, I think it takes the thrill out of the game, the entire enjoyment. And for what? So that we do not engage in 4 hour long shout matches? I mean I get why people dislike it, but anger is a common reaction to being challenged, to being called a liar and the likes.

So where I am at, mafia is slowly killing itself as game
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woah hold ur horses here
no one is really endorsing alexis here besides maybe miraka
yea i think he is town and a lhf but thats pretty much all
just dont want a lynch on someone i believe is town
 
hime said:
woah hold ur horses here
no one is really endorsing alexis here besides maybe miraka
yea i think he is town and a lhf but thats pretty much all
just dont want a lynch on someone i believe is town
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You are endorsing what Alexis is doing by keeping him alive
 
Lappland said:
You are endorsing what Alexis is doing by keeping him alive
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i think hes town, y should i want a townie dead?
like ive said to lethal i belive, just put him on ignore and keep playing if he is bothering u

personally im not following anything hes saying bc ik its all AI generated so its pretty useless imo
as per his AI reads, im a lock scum
 
I was told to stop talking about it, but no I don't care

What he is doing is bullshit, it is vile. I hate it and I also hate him on a personal level for engaging in it. Only someone who does not care about the enjoyment of others, engages what he is doing. Blatant cheating. I don't care how stupid he is normally and that he is trying. If he really wanted to try, he would teach himself how to post on his own, how to read the game on his own. He is just trolling the game, using AI and you guys are like "but he's town". Well I do not even think that, fuck people who incite that type of read and that is the cancer of mafia. But it is meaningless to people because deep down you do not respect the game properly or enjoy the actual gameplay that much. if you did, you would see what he is doing for what it is, realise that it is wrong and that it should be stopped from the getgo.

Instead of telling people to drop it. The game lacks any sort of intregrity due to him and how much do you expect me to care at this point, if you guys do not care about the actual game at all.
 
hime said:
i think hes town, y should i want a townie dead?
like ive said to lethal i belive, just put him on ignore and keep playing if he is bothering u

personally im not following anything hes saying bc ik its all AI generated so its pretty useless imo
as per his AI reads, im a lock scum
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Well, he is voting me for 3 dayphases, you are rewarding him by keeping him alive. You are endorsing it, by keeping him alive and townreading it. He will keep doing this, if you don't punish it and it will keep ruining games.
 
Lappland said:
Well, he is voting me for 3 dayphases, you are rewarding him by keeping him alive. You are endorsing it, by keeping him alive and townreading it. He will keep doing this, if you don't punish it and it will keep ruining games.
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eh, i wouldnt mind an evaluation postgame as to banning AI usage to play games but currently there is no rule against it so technically he hasnt violated anything

i suggest putting him on ignore for now and focusing on other players
 
hime said:
eh, i wouldnt mind an evaluation postgame as to banning AI usage to play games but currently there is no rule against it so technically he hasnt violated anything

i suggest putting him on ignore for now and focusing on other players
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He has violated the entire game, even if you don't have a rule. It is pretty obvious why it violates the game, but you wanna dance around it
 
Lappland said:
He has violated the entire game, even if you don't have a rule. It is pretty obvious why it violates the game, but you wanna dance around it
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i dont care for it and he is literally calling me scum too lol
im just ignoring it and actually focusing on trying to solve bc theres not a whole lot i can do rn and im not interested in lynching or killing someone i believe is town
 
hime said:
i dont care for it and he is literally calling me scum too lol
im just ignoring it and actually focusing on trying to solve bc theres not a whole lot i can do rn and im not interested in lynching or killing someone i believe is town
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As I said that is the issue. Even if he is town and you are town. He is cheating and giving you an advantage by town telling through using AI in a manner like that. I fundamentally disagree with that
 
Personally, I think policy lynches are just as much a mockery of the integrity of the game as anything else. Unless the balance of the game is completely and unfairly upended by such a thing, it is not the onus of the players to make a statement by wasting our lynch. You're free to complain, to report the offender, to demand the establishment of rules against it after the game ends, whatever you want. But encouraging us to play against our wincons isn't going to fix anything.
 
Alright updated reads

Town: stick, pepe, fuji/hime, alexis, lethal
Lighter Town: jay23
Borderline poe but not quite just yet: Atsumori, MIraka


poe: Aurelian (serial killer), Lappland, Luka, Grammation/Goddess


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