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Jobu Tupaki (Everything Everywhere All At Once) in MCU

All universes have a version of her. Even if it's a rock or a pinata. Alternate versions of her include literally anything.
That’s kind of extrapolating. We explicitly see a universe where Evelyn didn’t get married to the guy (action movie star Evelyn) who would become Jobu’s father, and there’s no indication Jobu still existed in that universe. The only universes where we see Jobu exist as an inanimate object are ones where Evelyn also exists as one so there’s no reason to assume she also exists as an inanimate object even in verses where Evelyn was always human and never gave birth to her.
Can actually transfer/transform things between universes, and simply swap that dead version of Joy with a live one. Of which there are an infinite number of them. She also transported the Everything Bagel to Evelyn's universe.
Would swapping with a dead body really work if said body was absorbed or vaporized? Like wasn’t she going around killing Evelyn’s before the events of the movie even started, and once the Evelyn in said universe was killed Evelyn could no longer connect to that universe? We never saw that universe where the characters get circles on their heads again after that Evelyn gets killed iirc.
He has not done this against an entire multiverse before, and that's what he would need to do. In order to absorb Jobu Tupaki.
It would still be a long stalemate at best. As Dormammu absorbs universes over time. And Jobu can’t really do anything to prevent that.
The Darkhold can't even defend itself. It's an inanimate object. Jobu Tupaki is a cognizant reality warper that's constantly aware of everything that's happening throughout the entire multiverse. In other words she is able to defend herself.
How would she defend herself exactly from an attack meant to erase her in all universes? She’s never shown the ability to do that before, and the method of reviving herself from death you mentioned before (swapping dead version with an alive version) wouldn’t work when all versions are being erased at the same time. Heck the bagel was essentially her way of trying to commit suicide (for all of her versions I think), so you would think if she could tank it or an attack similar to it than it would’ve been pointless from the start and Evelyn wouldn’t have needed to pull her out of it.
Also, I mentioned before? There is a version of her in every universe. Including ones that are not even human beings, or even animate. Even if Joy isn't born in some universe she instead exists as something else entirely. Say the rock or pinata example, or even as drawings on a piece of paper. As well as there being an anime version of them. There is a version of Joy that's even a planet. However, like Evelyn she can change the rules of those universes and animate them.
I feel like you need to give some examples of the entire universe having its rules changed. I remember stuff like reality being warped in the immediate area around them mostly. Or Evelyn after achieving the google eye enlightenment showing characters how they can/have achieved happiness in other universes to pacify them. But not entire universes being altered.
Able to transform whatever reality she is into a different universe, and transform whatever reality she is in into whatever she wants. The only person who could actually hurt her had the same powers and abilities that she had.
Maybe you should just give me Jobu’s best feat in the movie and explain how it translates into the level of reality warping power you’re describing.

Cause I feel like there’s a disconnect from how I remember her powers working in the movie and how you’re describing them.
 
Iirc though. She can't just go to a universe that doesn't have a version of her. So if the version she's inhabiting in one universe gets completely destroyed/absorbed/whatever else, isn't it a stalemate at best? Since she'd no longer have any way of continuing the fight.

And before even getting to What If Ultron, there's Dormammu. What's she going to do to Dormammu exactly? Dormammu can just straight up absorb other dimensions/universes into the Dark Dimension. He's also non-corporeal https://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki...er-profile-dormammu-marvel-cinematic-universe

There's also Multiverse of Madness Scarlet Witch
She destroyed all versions of the Darkhold throughout the MCU's infinite multiverse at the end of the movie. So why couldn't she do the same with Jobu Tapaki? Since just like the Darkhold no matter how many versions of her there are they still are finite as there are plenty of universes were she was never born or died young or whatever else.


Jobu Tupaki's hax is great don't get me wrong. But not good enough to make up for their lack of DC/Durability if she's going against the MCU's god tier.
I thought Dormammu was above the what if characters because he was snacking on universes or something, he just has dogshit hax resistance
 
I thought Dormammu was above the what if characters because he was snacking on universes or something

Yeah, you could say that. It’s not a huge gap though. As infinity Ultron is > Strange Supreme who could delay and eventually tank the collapse of his universe with a forcefield. They’re both in the universe level+ range I guess I would say.

, he just has dogshit hax resistance
Iirc while Strange caught him in a time loop he eventually gained awareness of it as a sense of Deja-Vu. So while not immune he had at least some form of resistance.

And entire reason it worked was because while Dormammu had control over the Dark Dimension, the concept of time didn’t exist within the dimension before Stephen brought the time stone into it. Introducing a new factor outside of his control.

It’s not like just any hax spell Strange could’ve tried on him would’ve worked. I would say the implication is that he had to use the time stone that way and turn it into a contest of wills because he had no chance of beating Dormy in a straight up fight.
 
That’s kind of extrapolating. We explicitly see a universe where Evelyn didn’t get married to the guy (action movie star Evelyn) who would become Jobu’s father, and there’s no indication Jobu still existed in that universe. The only universes where we see Jobu exist as an inanimate object are ones where Evelyn also exists as one so there’s no reason to assume she also exists as an inanimate object even in verses where Evelyn was always human and never gave birth to her.
How in the world does a rock give birth? Better yet, how does a planet give birth? Even in the rock universe it's clear that they're normally not supposed to be able to move, and the only reason they did was because they were Jobu and Evelyn. There are even universes where Jobu has an entirely different father. It seems that exists in some form regardless of how she was made, and she wasn't always born into existence. In some universes she was created or even drawn by an artist.
Would swapping with a dead body really work if said body was absorbed or vaporized? Like wasn’t she going around killing Evelyn’s before the events of the movie even started, and once the Evelyn in said universe was killed Evelyn could no longer connect to that universe? We never saw that universe where the characters get circles on their heads again after that Evelyn gets killed iirc.
That was before Evelyn even became as good as jumping as her husband. Let alone Jobu who was a whole other beast entirely. Evelyn also outright dies trying to become like Jobu, and is split across the multiverse like she was. Which sends her into movie star counterpart. Then after she becomes like Jobu? She comes back to life in her universes of origin, and stabs her husband. Due to becoming a schizo like her daughter. Then changes again when she gets her epiphany, and fights against Jabu.
It would still be a long stalemate at best. As Dormammu absorbs universes over time. And Jobu can’t really do anything to prevent that.
Everything Bagel. Which she can literally summon into existence at will, and which she created in the first place. It has the power it kill every version of someone across the multiverse.
How would she defend herself exactly from an attack meant to erase her in all universes? She’s never shown the ability to do that before, and the method of reviving herself from death you mentioned before (swapping dead version with an alive version) wouldn’t work when all versions are being erased at the same time. Heck the bagel was essentially her way of trying to commit suicide (for all of her versions I think), so you would think if she could tank it or an attack similar to it than it would’ve been pointless from the start and Evelyn wouldn’t have needed to pull her out of it.
The Everything Bagel was way more powerful than Wanda, and the Alphaverse intially thought Jobu was going to use it to destroy the whole multiverse. Not just herself. Jobu was also the one who created it in the first place. It's literally a product of her own abilities. She was the one who created the Everything Bagel. Which also shows she is likely more powerful than Wanda. As she was a legitimate threat to the whole multiverse. Jobu also survived being inside of it long enough for Evelyn to pull her out of it. Whereas everybody else got instantly obliterated by it.
I feel like you need to give some examples of the entire universe having its rules changed. I remember stuff like reality being warped in the immediate area around them mostly. Or Evelyn after achieving the google eye enlightenment showing characters how they can/have achieved happiness in other universes to pacify them. But not entire universes being altered.
Evelyn wasn't just showing them how. She was transforming objects and people into parallel versions of themselves. Such as with the grenade which she turned into a perfume bottle, and the bullets she transformed into googly eyes. Jobu was distorting the universe around them with every punch. The world changing even when she and her mother were not.

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Maybe you should just give me Jobu’s best feat in the movie and explain how it translates into the level of reality warping power you’re describing.

Cause I feel like there’s a disconnect from how I remember her powers working in the movie and how you’re describing them.
Jobu's best feat is creating the Everything Bagel. Which was a threat to the whole multiverse, and the only reason it wasn't was because she actually wanted to kill herself.

The disconnect is that you think they can't transfer things between universes or transform objects or people into alternate versions of themselves. They can. It's not just some psychic connection between universes. That's only for normal people with the ear pieces. Not for people like Jobu and Evelyn who can outright warp reality.
 
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