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Kamen Rider Decade, Zi-O and Legend vs Nasuverse and To Aru
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hmmmm....
To Aru
I will fully admit that I like fucking around but I'm also just convinced by the stuff posted in past threads that To Aru wasn't capped universe level. I don't have to be a fan of a series to hold that opinion and there's plenty of stories or characters that I outright hate that I'll acknowledge are strong or whatever.
For example from the 'toaru is multiversal thread'
This seems pretty straightforward. "Othinus created infinite worlds" and they don't seem to be planets in context, especially given other stuff about Othinus that's accepted as common knowledge (the spear thing and the blowing up the universe thousands of times over and so forth).
The only real argument I could find from the info provided are the excerpts about the parallel worlds not being infinite, which is an angle you could use to argue for a Kamen Rider Win sure, as KR is pretty explicit about that at the high levels, but other parallel realities are still mentioned so we know these high tier characters are multiversal to some degree regardless.
That said it's contradicted in other places and that's not unusual for series that operate on that scale (DC comics in particular waffles on that issue a lot) so idk. I do think KR as a whole is likely a stronger setting that ToAru but if it's just three specific characters against the whole setting, it seems like a stalemate (going off To Aru's infinite worlds/Othinus info) or possible KR team win going off the lower end.
For example from the 'toaru is multiversal thread'
This seems pretty straightforward. "Othinus created infinite worlds" and they don't seem to be planets in context, especially given other stuff about Othinus that's accepted as common knowledge (the spear thing and the blowing up the universe thousands of times over and so forth).
The only real argument I could find from the info provided are the excerpts about the parallel worlds not being infinite, which is an angle you could use to argue for a Kamen Rider Win sure, as KR is pretty explicit about that at the high levels, but other parallel realities are still mentioned so we know these high tier characters are multiversal to some degree regardless.
That said it's contradicted in other places and that's not unusual for series that operate on that scale (DC comics in particular waffles on that issue a lot) so idk. I do think KR as a whole is likely a stronger setting that ToAru but if it's just three specific characters against the whole setting, it seems like a stalemate (going off To Aru's infinite worlds/Othinus info) or possible KR team win going off the lower end.
Eztephan
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Basically they are a canon composite of all the riders, had all they powers and can use them freely. The three of them, but with some different abilities.
Decade had Multiversal pasive destruction and existencial erase with that, inter dimensional travel and can break apart the space-time with his attacks, immortality based on been a inmutable point in the whole Rider Verse, that can't change, can resist various degrees of time shenanigans and can resurrect even if he's erased from the world narrative cuz he doesn't had a story on his own, but can come back by the memories of his friends and other things like doesn't be affected by the Saver system melting the multiverse and everything that exist beyond that or ignoring the resistance or immoralities of beings like the Undeads or objects like the Riderwatches by being the destroyer of worlds.
Zi-O is Decade in steroids, as the Demon King of Space-Time can cause pasive time shenanigans in the whole rider verse and destroy, recreate or rewrite it at whole, whatever he thinks or dream of, becomes reality, he can negate the laws of causality, even if he and the concept of Heisei are erased from the real world he can come back to existence, because as the King of all Eras and can't be truly gone for good from the world, can ignore the acausality of other riders or monsters, summon several riders from different settings even if they are "not canon" to the main rider multiverse.
Legend is Decade 2.0, but without the powers that Tsukasa had for being a inmutable point, but had the capabilities of use the rider powers more freely by becoming more riders outside the Heisei era ones, in they stronger forms with his Legend cards. His rider cards can be used to summon several riders at the same time or be the same rider in they 3 principal different forms, also by using Grand Zi-O he can summon any Heisei Rider from Kuuga to Build and use they powers or weapons-
So basically you need Magic gods tier characters to fight them, in To Aru case.
To play Devil's Advocate, as much as I believe Othinus CAN create an infinite amount of phases.... she doesn't actually do that.
The "infinite worlds" is in reference to the Infinite Hells that Touma went through.. which wasn't actually infinite, obviously.
Im avoiding this thread because fucking hell man
im only here to drop one warning. If I get one report outta this thread then everyones getting in trouble. I do not care for this weird pissing contest. Instead of debating whos multiverse is bigger debate what both parties actually can do in a fight. its very clear to EVERYONE HERE that unga bunga isnt how this is going to be won especially with the Kamen Rider side having people who can just come back from being erased from existence. Cut the shit
im only here to drop one warning. If I get one report outta this thread then everyones getting in trouble. I do not care for this weird pissing contest. Instead of debating whos multiverse is bigger debate what both parties actually can do in a fight. its very clear to EVERYONE HERE that unga bunga isnt how this is going to be won especially with the Kamen Rider side having people who can just come back from being erased from existence. Cut the shit