Loki Who Remains (MCU) vs DCEU, Arrowverse, and Foxverse

[xenos5]

So the last episode of Loki season 2 was pretty fucking insane.


He essentially destroys a device (the temporal loom) that could temporarily hold back infinitely increasing timelines, and proceeds to gather the dying branches (physically pulling them and forcing them together at certain points) and basically form them into a version of the World Tree of Yggdrasil breathing life back into them with his own power.

There's a bit more (due to gaining control over his time slipping powers he can pause and rewind time even in the middle of a timeline unraveling. Can pause time for an individual person. Can BFR them while they're paused. Can use all of these powers in the TVA despite it existing outside of time and time not being supposed to exist there, and any of the changes he makes to his past have no effect on him)

Scenario 1: Gauntlet Style in each verse.
Scenario 2: Takes each verse on all at once, except they're invading the Citadel at the End of Time where he's holding all the timelines together.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Pretty sure he bodies everyone but the highest tiers of the Arrowverse and maybe not even that due to the latter doing their own version of Infinite Crisis.

 

[Flowering Knight]

Is there anything in there that's actually multiversal to any extent or is it just some high level time manip? Because in the vast majority of cases timelines =/= universes, else we'd have to start classifying way more series as being uni/multiversal if that were the case. Though even if it is just time manipulation it'd be some pretty intense shit regardless.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

Is there anything in there that's actually multiversal to any extent or is it just some high level time manip? Because in the vast majority of cases timelines =/= universes, else we'd have to start classifying way more series as being uni/multiversal if that were the case. Though even if it is just time manipulation it'd be some pretty intense shit regardless.

ive never really gotten this stance
other than like maybe dragon ball, when is that the case? a timeline still contains space, planets, stars etc. I’ve never understood why destroying one is less impressive than destroying something namedropped as a universe. Unless it’s one of those fictions that really goes into the timeline just being a flow of time or sequence of events (which I can’t think of any examples of off top), most series I know of just use it interchangeably with alternate realities.

 

[xenos5]

Is there anything in there that's actually multiversal to any extent or is it just some high level time manip? Because in the vast majority of cases timelines =/= universes, else we'd have to start classifying way more series as being uni/multiversal if that were the case. Though even if it is just time manipulation it'd be some pretty intense shit regardless.

The fact that as shown in Endgame each timeline has their own set of Infinity Stones (stones that were created by the big bang and can affect the entire universe when wielded together) and that if a stone is taken and not eventually returned it dooms the timeline pretty much shows that the scope of each timeline has to be about the same as the main one that we are following.

 

[OrlandoSky]

The location of the TVA makes this confusing. Because he didn't grow to multiversal size unless the TVA is (like the Godsphere in DC which is possible but not really delved into) it's more like he's grabbing the strands of time in each universe and invigorating them with his energy to give them a chance at freedom and to live. There's not really much explanation for what he's doing beyond that and I'm not sure how he could utilize that for combat purposes.

 

[xenos5]

The location of the TVA makes this confusing. Because he didn't grow to multiversal size unless the TVA is (like the Godsphere in DC which is possible but not really delved into) it's more like he's grabbing the strands of time in each universe and invigorating them with his energy to give them a chance at freedom and to live. There's not really much explanation for what he's doing beyond that and I'm not sure how he could utilize that for combat purposes.

Why would he need to grow to multiversal size? This feels like an AOE=DC argument. The fact that the branches are physical manifestations of the timelines makes their size within the TVA irrelevant (though the TVA is supposed to exist outside of time anyway).

 

[OrlandoSky]

Why would he need to grow to multiversal size? This feels like an AOE=DC argument.

Because he is physically grabbing the literal timelines themselves like their strings

 

[xenos5]

Because he is physically grabbing the literal timelines themselves like their strings

This isn’t that hard of a concept to understand. When there’s shit like Superboy Prime shattering reality like panes of glass do people question the size? No. Cause you know it’s a physical representation where the true weight lies within.

 

[Gordo]

ive never really gotten this stance
other than like maybe dragon ball, when is that the case? a timeline still contains space, planets, stars etc. I’ve never understood why destroying one is less impressive than destroying something namedropped as a universe. Unless it’s one of those fictions that really goes into the timeline just being a flow of time or sequence of events (which I can’t think of any examples of off top), most series I know of just use it interchangeably with alternate realities.

A single timeline in Dragon Ball contains the entire multiverse + all those other dimensions

Generally speaking you’d need feats to assume a timeline is the same as a universe but here it probably applies

 

[OtherGalaxy]

A single timeline in Dragon Ball contains the entire multiverse + all those other dimensions

Generally speaking you’d need feats to assume a timeline is the same as a universe but here it probably applies

im not against it for dragon ball either

 

[Great Potato]

The location of the TVA makes this confusing. Because he didn't grow to multiversal size unless the TVA is (like the Godsphere in DC which is possible but not really delved into) it's more like he's grabbing the strands of time in each universe and invigorating them with his energy to give them a chance at freedom and to live. There's not really much explanation for what he's doing beyond that and I'm not sure how he could utilize that for combat purposes.

Each of those strands represents a branched timeline. The entirety of the TVA and loom was to preserve the sacred timeline and clip every branch that stemmed from it, those branches should naturally include the Raimi & Sony Spiderverse, the What If... universes, as well as the timeline Loki came from which was the Avengers 2012 branch from Endgame.

We've visited these branches to know what they represent and Loki is single handedly providing the energy to sustain the infinite amount of growing branches that had overloaded the original Temporal Loom.

 

[Flowering Knight]

Ehhh given the context for the MCU specifically I can see where timeline = universe stuff comes from

I just don't agree with the notion that we should start applying that logic to other series unless they have any similar context to back it up

 

[Solar Sailor]

Case by Case Basis is the defacto strategy for analyzing these things.

 

[Gordo]

Loki is the only multiversal MCU character to me

 

[Edward Nygma]

I think Arrowverse retconned their CoIE from being the birth of 2 or 3 new universes to the birth of infinite new universes. So, Spectre Olly and the Monitors might be too much for Loki. Other than that, he clears.

Honestly, peak Ezra Flash is probably a legitimate threat. The side effects of his tampering were causing whole universes to crash into each other, and he wasn't even trying. He probably couldn't take the win as he is now, though.

 

[GregSteve]

I always look at it like the universe is the the tree and the branches are timelines you know the simple retard way

So the DC would depend on if you chop the tree down at the base= chain reaction or blew it up in one go correct me if that's wrong