This is literally what ekko wrote:
Which translates as ‘I can’t play ranked bullshit atm so let’s change the rules so I can’
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Mafia General Discussion: Ultra's Crucifixion
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This is literally what ekko wrote:
Which translates as ‘I can’t play ranked bullshit atm so let’s change the rules so I can’
I mean half of the community here is basically NF/AFH guys and we are trying to have this section grow. That means hoping the activity here attracts people from off-site to join us by either word of mouth or promotion. You see why this has to be addressed right? The more people join and play from WS/WF/TMF and NF/FV, more people are gonna question why is x this and y that way.
They are free to make their own rankings or whatever if they don’t want to adhere to what’s already in place
Respectfully, I’d rather recruit 2 people that wanna play proper mafia over 10 people that just wanna play bullshit
Literally nobody from our section (as in those that came here in the merge) is interested in playing any of that shite, as anything more than a once in a while blow off and even then I don’t think there’s many. Should we all be waiting weeks or months before there’s a game we can play? Obviously not, and that’s why we allowed a ranked and unranked game to be run at the same time whenever needed.
If you wanna play this bullshit and rank it when you’ll have to create something separate. Maybe create your own subsection for RM and SRM games if it makes you feel better
Literally nobody from our section (as in those that came here in the merge) is interested in playing any of that shite, as anything more than a once in a while blow off and even then I don’t think there’s many. Should we all be waiting weeks or months before there’s a game we can play? Obviously not, and that’s why we allowed a ranked and unranked game to be run at the same time whenever needed.
If you wanna play this bullshit and rank it when you’ll have to create something separate. Maybe create your own subsection for RM and SRM games if it makes you feel better
I think this is fine too but this discussion was bound to happen at some point or another as different communities are bound to clash. Another possibility is having separate sub-sections for different games.
Yeah fwiw I appreciate you’re actually looking for a solution here
define balance and silly shit please
u know that's silly. style is everything about these games. im convinced thats the case now
why is this obvious? why cant an open or semi open setup be ranked? we had one here in radiant mafia and it ran just fine. as long as its not bastard i really dont see the issue pls elaborate on whats the hold up.
we dont want to turn this into another WG. we just want to use the playerbase that we have here in addition to WG/NF players to create a larger player base for more competitive or larger numbers experience
we want to have every now and then a game thats balanced and reviewd by someone but not inherently ws style and have it be considered ranked. is that asking too much? it wont have batshit mechanics nor be unbalanced.
thats fine we can just split it and run games concurrently if thats the case, tho i dont see whats the hold up in being open to styles of other communities
the games here r filled with half ws half non ws players. i think its only fair for everyone to have it such rhat every now n then allow a non ws style game to be filled
for instance, sockpuppet was deemed unranked when it shud be ranked. no explaination was provided for why.
fang's game could turn out more balanced than some of the ranked games we have here. he will have someone review it. i honestly dont see the hold up personally
otherwise pls make a detailed thread explaining exactly what constitutes a "ranked" game and make sure everyone who plays in this site is okay with that explaination, or atleast majority are
Why would you have rankings for unranked games
Thing here is Ekko you're the only one complaining, I haven't seen any strongly negative feedback from cross community members, this is a problem for you that you are presenting as some wider issue
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I think we just need a subsection, rather you put role madness/SRM games there or the vanilla games there doesn't matter. poyser and gram are more qualified to deal with vanilla/small role madness games and sigis and myself will deal with the casual high role madness/SRM games. Problem solved, don't think this is that big of a deal. It's a niche forum game
I'm thinking we've reached a fair agreement/consensus here.
Make the mafia section into two split sub-sections (besides obviously the archives):
- one is for more methodical and classical set ups
- the other is for more role madness, super-role madness, and other non-conventional formats
Poyser and Grammaton can keep the tally of points, wins, losses, player performance, and other data in their section
Aries and Sigismund can do the same for the role-madness/etc...style games in theirs
That way everyone gets what everyone wants.
Rules regarding what is allowed within and without the games would still be universal (your allowed to get heated, certain degree of flaming, emotional arguing, but racial slurs, hardcore flaming, etc...is still not allowed)
Rules outside of the games in the section and sub-sections will still be stringent and compatible with our code of conduct
i dont think SRM should ever be ranked unless it has its own ranked style
anything above medium rolemadness doesnt fit ranked
small rolemadness all the way to pure vanilla games can be ranked
is this not correct?
He’s salty cos he wants to host a ranked game but his idea of a balanced game is horse shit kek
But unranked games haven’t been filling which is where the complaint comes from
There’s a reason the unranked games aren’t getting filled Ekko lol, most people here just aren’t interested in them
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Illustrious
Nah I mean we separate vanilla games set ups from role madness/SRM games set ups
This is already effectively our system minus clogging up with needless subsections
What Ekko is advocating for, I think, is to expand the definition of ranked. But I really don't see why that's necessary or who the fuck actually cares besides him lol
It's silly because the benefit of an unranked game is that you can do whatever the fuck you want and probably also cut the line in the queue.
You were literally referring to having more offsiters come to play the sort of games they would be used to playing - if that means vanillas then so be it but I didn’t see a single vanilla game in 2 years on worstgen, so I can only conclude you’re referring to either SRM or ‘creative’ games of the ilk of chess mafia, which I’d rather never experience again given the choice
one major suggestion i can see is the roles in ranked need to be more clear. as in just explain the abilities straight forward in simple mafia terms.
example, use:
2x roleblocker - target a player and roleblock them at night.
instead of
[active - giga chad] - you are giga chad whose grandfather died in world war 69 fighting alongside jackie chan so you devleoped this ability to target a player and prevent them from carrying out any night action. [2-shots]
example, use:
2x roleblocker - target a player and roleblock them at night.
instead of
[active - giga chad] - you are giga chad whose grandfather died in world war 69 fighting alongside jackie chan so you devleoped this ability to target a player and prevent them from carrying out any night action. [2-shots]
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