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Magic Gods are Multiversal - Definitive Edition

Astaro

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Alright, let clear some things up, showing irrefutable proof and even more importantly, putting to rest near decade long hoaxes about Magic Gods and the cosmology of the verse.

All the following quotes are taken straight from Baka Tsuki’s js06’s translation of the series + some translations taken straight from the original Japanese texts.

Toaru’s Cosmology is made up of Phases


The other important thing to consider is what world is in this context.



Phases are referred to as worlds and dimensions based on Curtana Original.


Also according to Curtana Original, there’s as many Phases / dimensions as what can be counted with whole numbers




Quoting one more piece of information again because it’s important for the next part

Assuming it could hit, that extraordinary power could penetrate the barrier between worlds and kill a being lurking in a different phase… for example, Holy Guardian Angel Aiwass who stayed in the layer of physical laws at the very bottom.

This specific part disproves the notion I often hear of the Pure World being the one universe of the setting while Phases are just layers over it. This is blatantly false as Carissa or Queen Elizard within the universe their in are cutting through countless dimensional barriers in order to reach the universe Aiwass resides in. Aiwass in turn is an extra-dimensional Angel who can’t even properly exist in the universe without first being summoned and with preparations to be able to manifest

Coronzon confirming both the main setting’s universe and the Pure World are all Phases too.


TL;DR The Pure World is the Phase / Layer at the very bottom / center where all the other Phases revolve around. Coronzon destroying the Pure World would cause all the other Phases to lose their stability and the slight bumps and scapes between Phases from before which already twist the laws of cause and effect and create future changing phenomenon in the series will become full on collisions and simultaneous destruction between Phases

Think this pretty much sums up everything that needs to be known about Phases. Now to Othinus and other Magic God feats:



Othinus controlling every Phase at once, controlling and remaking existing universes or creating new ones.



^ To further explain the above context, Thor is comparing his own command over the world as Almighty Thor to the range and scope of Othinus. And Almighty Thor makes him the Magic side equivalent of a Holistic Esper




Othinus destroying every Phase at once



Once more reiterated that she destroyed (almost) every Phase at that the black void left behind is the result of destroying every Phase, meaning she’s done this multiple times throughout NT9


Rest of the Magic Gods are far stronger than her and reside the last remaining Phase even she couldn’t reach.




Said Phase is so vast, even the slightest gaps extend infinitely since anything less would be insufficient to contain True Magic Gods




Magic Gods need to reduce their power infinitely to put themselves down to such a level where they don’t destroy the universe they step into by moving a limb


And finally, to put the “Kamachi says there’s only one universe!!” hoax to rest

The following comes from NT13’s epilogue:

Another Possible Beginning — The_End_is_Named...

And it’s when Kamisato uses World Rejector on Niang-Niang and we get this exchange:

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…”

“Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.

^ This is the js06 translation that’s been bandwagoned for over a decade now to argue that Kamachi said there are no parallel worlds (completely ignoring every other feat and statements that say otherwise.)

But now we know for sure that no such thing was said.



並行する世界が無限にある訳じゃない.

"Heikō suru sekai ga mugen ni aru wake janai"

“There are not an infinite number of parallel worlds.”

^ It’s not there are no Parallel Worlds that was stated, just that there isn’t an infinite amount of them in the sense that they don’t occupy every spot of the infinite expanse of the settings multiverse. Even with the endless Phases that make up the verse, there’s still unused space in between them.

World Rejectors takes advantage of those still unused spaces between worlds to send people to, and said unused space becomes its own isolated timeline.


The unused space becoming it’s own isolated timeline.

Those two were true Magic Gods. So who in this isolated timeline could concern them?



And likewise, Niang-Niang herself also never denied the existence of parallel worlds, here’s the above exchange translated from the Japanese text

Niang-Niang: i can't believe it. The parallel world is...
Kamisato: Yeah, they don't exist infinitely.

Few other miscellaneous feats:

Magic Gods can survive the full power attack of each other at least once



They transcend the entirety of the verse


In the Toaru X Virtual On crossover (game version), Othinus confronts the Tangram with its meddling and threatens to destroy it should it continue.



The Tangram is a God-Machine that embodies the very concept of technology and transcends time, space, and causality while existing across all points in time and space that spans a multiverse of infinite parallel worlds and dimensions and can send people to among those worlds as well as reset the entire multiverse.




But in the end, that absolute being had made her judgment against the wicked man who had destroyed an entire world in his greed, pursued a girl, and remade her into a copy of a girl who held a godlike position.


Control over all causality in the multiverse and resets things so that the events of Toaru X Virtual On never happened


Despite this, Othinus complains at how the Tangram is limited compared to the Magic Gods who can do the impossible

Even the many-worlds interpretation, which branches into infinite possibilities, is of no use to Othinus.
Fundamentally, there are more things she can do.
Othinus is explaining that she can even realize the possibility of 0, which is completely impossible with Tangram.



While the events of Toaru X Virtual On are non-canon, Kamachi has stated themselves that the events play out as if they were canon to the story in his Afterward notes for the story.



it's true that the collaboration is not an official event.
But for the fools who claim that it's not official settings at all, please convey this to them.

This includes the game version also done by Kamachi


PS4/PS Vita Title "Dennou Senki Virtualon x A Certain Magical Index: A Certain Magical Virtualon" Second Promotional Video Released!

This video introduces a glimpse of the original story written by Kazuma Kamachi, connecting from the novel version. It also showcases the game's attractive features, such as substantial missions and online battles that can be enjoyed solo or with others, narrated by Touma Kamijou (CV: Atsushi Abe) and Index (CV: Yuka Iguchi)!!

PS4/PS Vita用ソフト『電脳戦機バーチャロン×とある魔術の禁書目録 とある魔術の電脳戦機』のプロモーションビデオ第二弾です! 小説版から連なる鎌池和馬先生書き下ろしストーリーの一端や、一人でもみんなでも遊べる充実のミッションやオンライン対戦など、本作の魅力を上条当麻(CV:阿部敦)とインデックス(CV:井口裕香)のナレーションでたっぷりご紹介!! 「

novel, game story = only kamachi written

^ Credit to @fiamma for these translations taken straight from the novels

And that concludes my thread. Any questions?

 
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Astaro

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Me waiting for the allegations to be proven that this entire thread is a dishonest lie and I’m pulling the next Lionel Suggs or Jakk level deception on the OBD

 

Astaro

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Speed feats for Magic Gods.

Othinus appearing before Touma and tearing off his arm before he could react


An exchange between her and Ollerus involved both firing tens of thousands of attacks instantly.


Do so again, this time distorting space and time to produce a black hole like environment with their number of attacks.


All the above is Othinus while under her 50/50 restriction that limits herself.

Destroys the entire cosmology (as explained in the OP of its size) safe for the Hidden Phase instantly.


Speed of her crossbows.


It also pierced his heart and blasted it to the ends of that black world within so short a time frame, what remained of Touma did not even have time to be blown away yet


So in order to find an estimate for its speed, we do the following multi-step calculation:

For an extreme low end by assuming Touma and Othinus fought at the very middle of the universe, ignoring the black void their in is the result of destroying ALL Phases, just going observable universe size (about 28 billion parsecs), and going by a second for the timeframe, those crossbows would need to have been moving at 14 billion parsecs a second. (Half the observable universe)

Or 4.31994861*10^26 meters per second.

From there, we divide the above by the Speed of Light in meters per second to see how many times faster than light that number is.

4.32 × 10^26 meters per second / 299792458 meters per second

Final result = 1.4409969 × 10^18 times the speed of light

So yeah, it’s about 1.4 Quintillion times Faster than Light so far.


This is just the size of the observable universe. The black void is blatantly not just one universe, but the result of Othinus destroying every world she created in that volume, with several quotes putting it in the hundreds of billions at least



The black void is explicitly the result of destroying every Phase in existence at the time (besides the Hidden World)


As the lance was fired with tremendous force, the “happy world” was smashed to pieces as if space itself was being torn apart.





So low end, the black void is made up of billions to hundreds of billions of universes.

Going by several low end statements for the amount of worlds Othinus made throughout that volume before destroying them all into that void, and you can slap at least 9 to 11 more zeros to that 1.4 quintillion, making the speed of the crossbow from crossing that amount of universes that made up the void up to anywhere between 1.4 octillion to 140 octillion times the speed of light as the final result.

And Touma was dodging those things like no one’s business.

For True Gremlin, they move about in a Phase where the slightest gaps extend infinitely, showing their unbound by the concepts of space and time altogether.


 
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Astaro

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1.4 to 140 octillion times the speed of light.

Fastest crossbow in fiction go Brrrr